Analog film photography and cameras

thanks!

the rain was very on and off, chucking it down one second, then blue skies, then more downpour. This summer continues to be a joke

Well I'm glad to hear it's not just London. Sunny skies outside now though. fistpump

This summer continues to be piss take!

...ftfy.

Metro - how do you make digital files of your b/w negatives?
Do you scan them or do you use a projector, and then use a digital camera to make a picture of the projection?

I never did that (back in the day it just stayed analogue if it started analogue),
but now I want to, and wondered how to go about it -
I'm interested in high quality, and in images that still look as 'analogue' as possible.

Sorry if this is explained a bit circuitous.

Does anyone East have any Kodak BW400CN or Portra NC/VC/the new stuff knocking about that I could buy this afternoon/evening?

few random ones from really really shit film through my gr1

Chips and supermarket, thumbs up.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/ZEISS-MC-PANCOLAR-1-8-50-mm-M42-VERY-NICE-/00/s/NzIwWDEwODA=/$T2eC16h,!ygE9s7HLd7bBQBwvNGT)g~~60_3.JPG

Have a very clean example of a carl zeiss jena DDR Pancolar MC 50mm f/1.8 going to help pay for fuel for my move even more northwards. M42 mount, so fits most DSLR's with the help of a £2 ebay adapter, or £7 for an AF confirm adapter (worth it).
£80 posted. This is the sought after version not the shiney one, regularly go for £100-140 on the bay.

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Metro - how do you make digital files of your b/w negatives?
Do you scan them or do you use a projector, and then use a digital camera to make a picture of the projection?

I never did that (back in the day it just stayed analogue if it started analogue),
but now I want to, and wondered how to go about it -
I'm interested in high quality, and in images that still look as 'analogue' as possible.

Sorry if this is explained a bit circuitous.

Tina - I scan for reference/cataloguing files in Lightroom and the web. I don't print digitally. I now use an Epson V750 Pro with just the Epson software. I don't shoot colour film so scanning B&W is much simpler. I basically scan at 2400 dpi, 16bit TIFF in greyscale. This gives me manageable 13-16Mb files. I am looking for flat looking scans but with all the data in them. Some people faff about trying to get all the corrections done with the scanner software. I flat scan and then tweak in Lightroom and catalogue them.

Below some quick and dirty examples of what I mean:

Thanks a lot for your reply, clarifies a lot.

Basically, what I want to do in the near future, is shoot black & white on 35mm film
(due to limited funds, portability and some other aspects), then create a digital file of that for post / editing -
retaining as much of the 'analogue' feel as possible along the way, and in the end print that (digitally).

It surprised me that you apparently take good care choosing camera, film material and appropriate developing chemicals etc., but the jpg's on the net look really, well, quick & dirty (like the dress and hair of the lady on the right in the last picture you posted).
But, as you said, it's mainly for cataloguing, it makes sense.

I find most scans become washed out without some (often) quite serious post correction, normally need to raise the black clipping/contrast/shadows quite a bit, and pull back the highlights a bit. Colour is much more tricky though my scanning man usually does quite a good job.

I can't afford anywhere near a decent scanner so I get a good shop to do it. Epson v700/v750pro etc are the minimum quality scanner you should look at (They are the best flatbed going). Above that your looking at a Nikon coolscan, 35mm jobs are about £800, but MF (upto 6x18) you can at least double that, probably more.

I've never had/found good prints from colour negative, only ever scan + web. B&W though I tend to work up quite a bit in darkroom when I get time, but the prints from those rarely find their way to the web (scanning prints = FAIL EVERY TIME) as you just cannot do them justice.

Just scanned a roll of PanF I got developed this week, fairly pleased with the results,

although I'm not sure what has happened during the processing, most of the shots have come out with a reddish, purple hue, which is nice, but one or two had very lifted blacks and a yellow hue

I had them push the roll by two stops as it was only ISO50.

These are all straight out of the scanner (CanoScan 9000F) without any post processing except cropping.

Next roll.....

I have used the Nikon Coolscans - a V Ed and the LS-8000ED - good scanners but when Nikon pulled out of making scanners it became clear that spares etc. would only be available for so long and then they would stop servicing/repairing them, so I sold them. The V750 Pro is good and covers my need for MF and 35mm but the holders are flimsy.

A couple of photojournalists I know use the Plustek OpticFilm 8200i SE for their personal use and it does a very good job for the money as long as you ditch the Silverfast software and use Ed Hamrick's Vuescan.

However, Plustek are bringing out a new model later this year for MF & 35mm and I am waiting to see how good it is.

I stress that these are just my opinions for my workflow, everyone will have their own workflow and you need to settle on one that suits you and your needs.

Workflow one, workflow two. There are a million other ways.

Just get the best scanner you can for the money you have and then build your workflow to suit you.

Just scanned a roll of PanF I got developed this week, fairly pleased with the results,

Déjà vu - I just 'liked' those on Tumblr! ;o)

Thanks!

Just scanned a roll of PanF I got developed this week, fairly pleased with the results,

although I'm not sure what has happened during the processing, most of the shots have come out with a reddish, purple hue, which is nice, but one or two had very lifted blacks and a yellow hue

I had them push the roll by two stops as it was only ISO50.

These are all straight out of the scanner (CanoScan 9000F) without any post processing except cropping.

Next roll.....

lovely stuff, has a nice sense of quality about them

A couple of photojournalists I know use the Plustek OpticFilm 8200i SE for their personal use and it does a very good job for the money as long as you ditch the Silverfast software and use Ed Hamrick's Vuescan.

Interesting, 300 notes isn't too bad for a dedicated scanner, wouldn't take too long to get back the outlay

I've never had/found good prints from colour negative, only ever scan + web.

really? I am in love with colour prints, nowhere near as easy to play with as b&w, and I really don't have a good eye for colour balance :/ but there's still a richness I can't get from a scan. only done really basic prints so far, finding contrast hard to control (too much of it, generally) and it's so expensive in a proper darkroom haven't done any for well over a year. need to renew my membership.

ML: that Plustek scanner does look the business. any idea how much it'll be?

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not sure what you're questioning?

What is going on there I wonder, what's with the little cards tethered to the plants?

ML: that Plustek scanner does look the business. any idea how much it'll be?

Not yet but Plustec are fairly competitive. So fingers crossed it's priced for the real world.

Matt Stuart

really? I am in love with colour prints, nowhere near as easy to play with as b&w, and I really don't have a good eye for colour balance :/ but there's still a richness I can't get from a scan. only done really basic prints so far, finding contrast hard to control (too much of it, generally) and it's so expensive in a proper darkroom haven't done any for well over a year. need to renew my membership.

ML: that Plustek scanner does look the business. any idea how much it'll be?

I haven't been able to find a lab that has an older machine that gets prints in the old way, i.e. englarging to paper!

95% of lab machines since about 2005 take a digi scan of the neg, then print in a digital manner, i.e. not with photo paper but with inkjet type of papers. For the newest machines they are actually very very good, but often don't go larger than about 8x6" which isn't really enough for most things.

What is going on there I wonder, what's with the little cards tethered to the plants?

It's outside the serpentine gallery, sort of like a visitors comments thing with a bunch of those notes and some pens. there's about 4-5 pants full of them