New Frames

I'm sure there was a thread on bikeforums.net>ss/fg about these frames - with similar comments about the faux-japan logos.. but it seems to have disappeared!
The manufacturer was nobly defending the frames in the face of ruthless forum hostlity.
Does anyone else remember this... or am I crazy?
EDIT - oops - it was actually Kazane track frames.. MY Bad.

Me: I can't really get into the whole moralistic approach, rejecting a bike frame because of the rights and wrongs of how a frame manufacturer should or shouldn't name their product.

(Another edit to add - but you're curiously comfortable with getting into the rights and wrongs of other people's individual belief systems. Who'd have thunk it?)

I am not sure what the point is you are attempting to make ?

If they were actually made by Orlowski I'd consider buying one, provided they put his name on the tube instead...

For the time being I'll wait and see how the early adopters fare.

+1

A brand new Gromada frame went for £177 a couple of weeks ago on Ebay; get three of them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gromada-Track-Fixed-Gear-Frame-and-Fork_W0QQitemZ230238451443QQihZ013QQcategoryZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

^^^^ great record cover, great record.

I like British frames. Blerrrrrrr :P

C'mon people support your homegrown artisan engineers!

Argos, Jackson, Mather, Mercian, Roberts, Yates, Whitcomb, (yes Whitcomb)... What more could you want?

Anybody know any more British builders?

Gromada track frame.. nice frames for sure... but why not sort out these fork ends?

^^^^ great record cover, great record.

I like British frames. Blerrrrrrr :P

C'mon people support your homegrown artisan engineers!

Argos, Jackson, Mather, Mercian, Roberts, Yates, Whitcomb, (yes Whitcomb)... What more could you want?

Anybody know any more British builders?

sure, i got 2 british track frames but i'd like to support my Polish heritage too with a frame without a japanese name on it.

how about Graham Weigh? although are they just rebadged Donohue's.

C'mon people support your homegrown artisan engineers!

Why choose British over Polish, Japanese or italian artisans ?

uhoh. here comes nationalism...

uhoh. here comes nationalism...

:)

I have never really got this type of relativistic morality or tribalism of any kind, I am sure historically it had some very real uses, but I can't see why I should want a British bike maker to do any better than a Mexican bike builder.

yup.
i fully understand wanting a bike to be kitted out with all italian or english or japanese parts, keep it all in the family or what have you. but for a national preference to frames?
i guess i need me one o these:

:)

I have never really got this type of relativistic morality or tribalism of any kind, I am sure historically it had some very real uses, but I can't see why I should want a British bike maker to do any better than a Mexican bike builder.

absolutely.

watch out for the Sanchez El Burro Especiál Track in a store near you soon.

Patriotism is a good enough reason for me. Doesn't make me a 'nationalist', thanks hassanr. I want British engineers to have a chance of surviving. This is not about jingoism I can assure you. I don't want Polish or Indian or Mexican bike builders to suffer! But I want British bike builders to survive.

Buy a mexican bike if you want. Or buy a British bike... Your choice.

I'd prefer it for the future of our kids if the only businesses that survived weren't just involved in things like advertising, football clubs, helping people avoid paying tax and telephone sanitising. The legacy of British engineering from the last 150 years is all around you, and I don't think it's meaningless. It's phenomenal! This is your country, the one you're a stakeholder in, that you pay taxes to maintain, and that you live in. Its also where tomorrow is going to happen, for me. I don't want it NOT to have good bike builders. That's all.

absolutely.

watch out for the Sanchez El Burro Especiál Track in a store near you soon.

Rapha sombreros anyone ?

Skully for mayor!

Oh yeah and I just like British bikes. Did I say that?

well this Polish mo-fo ain't undecutting anyone is he!

only witcomb ;)

Got me thinking about what the difference is, if any. the Jury's out.

From Wiki:

Patriotism is often portrayed as a more positive alternative to nationalism, which sometimes carries negative connotations. Some authors such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Janowitz argue that the difference is difficult to discern, and relies largely on the attitude of the labeller. [3]

nice quote from Billy Bragg, pretty much sums up how I feel

'I love my country but not in the way that Roger Scruton or Peter Hitchens do, which is based on a single idea that is stuck in the past somewhere. My England is not just the past, it's the here and now. History resonates. It's all around us and it's always there, whether I am walking up to the Roman hill fort near where I was brought up in Barking or wandering through the streets of Soho today. I can feel it now, I don't long to go back to any other time.'

I was in Cavendish bikes this afternoon (after a rendezvous with a certain Mr 14 (first name 50) at Oxford Circus) - and they have some lovely new handmade steel frames with track ends and gorgeous paint jobs and chrome lugs - I forget the brand - something Japanesish beginning with 'K'.

Very very very nice - £600 for frame and fork - but very very very nice.

Anyone know the name from my rubbish info above ?

£600?! They second hand or brand new?

i didn't necessarily mean nationalism in a derogatory sense, it's simply the term i prefer to use, patriotism has a nastier ring (to me). but i do forget about the english vs. american nuances to terms.
i understand your view, even if i don't necessarily adhere to it, but i don't see it as something that needs vocalising, not on that level.
maybe speak out against internet sellers, or mailorder catalogues, as they are doing much more damage to the economic integrity of your nation (locality, whatever)? people who want an english frame are going to buy one, but they might buy it off ebay, or direct from the builder, therefore cutting out their local bike shop, and perhaps drastically reducing their ability to continue to do business.

Buy British, think of the Carbon Footprint.

£600?! They second hand or brand new?

Brand new.

Buy British, think of the Carbon Footprint.

buy less, ride more.

that's what we should all be doing, really