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Some years ago I thought that all lovers rock is lame and cringeworthy and ragga is the way to go. Now, after some time spent within the industry, I have more respect for Derrick Harriott than Capleton or Sizzla whose music is appealing to my angst and sense of rhythm, but at the same time disgust me, because of the hypocrisy, misogyny, sexism, homophobia and general cult of the ceiling cat. How can I associate myself with guys who bang about Jehova, but smoke crack backstage, drink Henessy, lock their women in the shack next to their house when they're on their periods? Now, pop lovers rock... Very lame, but has it's integrity in place. Still based on a solid craft.
I respect anyone who can come out on the stage in their local pub and try their material as opposed to any shit which is signed first, then recorded, then video's made.
Interesting. I have no idea whether Sizzla is a hypocrite or not. Or by the sounds of it a very wicked man. The homophobic side has always bothered me but then most of the musicians I like seem to be flawed. Does it detract from the music?
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. Does it detract from the music?
i dont think so
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Is that the Peak District?
Shrivels
Check out her stuff. I imagine that last thing you will do is shrivel.
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Another hipster statement.
I don't even particularly like this Lightspeed guy. But your argument irks me because it's predictable and short-sighted.You can't compare music from the past to the music of today, just to prop up a tired argument about how music was once more significant and valuable than it is now because of some completely static definition of "skill".
Firstly, because as well as being "revolutionary", cultural vessels such as music can also become obsolete and banal. Add RATM on facebook and see for yourself.
Secondly, because the values assigned to music as a whole have changed. We don't just listen to the arrangement and revere the skill of the musicians. We buy the record, watch the video, become part of a movement or culture, we invest much more in music than points for "skill". That is why Ludwig will forever be "that bloke off A Clockwork Orange".
Skill takes on many forms, and whether you like it or not, the definition changes, constantly, along with our culture. Music, and most other aspects of life, would be pretty awful if they didn't.
Wrong. Take a look at young aspiring musicians, how many of them will be buying the sheet music to Boyonce, Rhianna & GAGA?
ZERO
They are all still going back to 60s, 70s and 80s musical compositions to learn from.
Hell, the names mentioned will still be looking to older standards to sample for their next 'hits'.
I think the overwheliming majority still understand a good tune. Sadly the it is the marketing depts, money and powers of the majors that appear to have changed what people like. The good stuff doesn't really see the light of day outside of late night specialist shows. Great music is still being made but unless you have the time and the knowledge to seek it, you're stuck with Walsh, Cowel, Cole and Dani.To say you can't compare older musical forms with those of today is also wrong imo. Listening to stuff of the seventies (a time of deep political strife) gives me far more to cling onto than anything Lil Wayne 'drops'.
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PLEASE Listen to the lyrics of this and give me a modern day track that has the the level of musicianship, arrangement and conscientiousness:
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Walsh, Cowel, Cole and Dani.
Best back four the Gunners ever had; pace, strength, commitment, they had it all.
'all'? no efnics there. They'd never make a hipster benetton ad.
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Which other hand?... other finger maybe?
Talkin' bout this guy.
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Wrong. Take a look at young aspiring musicians, how many of them will be buying the sheet music to Boyonce, Rhianna & GAGA?
ZERO
They are all still going back to 60s, 70s and 80s musical compositions to learn from.
Hell, the names mentioned will still be looking to older standards to sample for their next 'hits'.
I think the overwheliming majority still understand a good tune. Sadly the it is the marketing depts, money and powers of the majors that appear to have changed what people like. The good stuff doesn't really see the light of day outside of late night specialist shows. Great music is still being made but unless you have the time and the knowledge to seek it, you're stuck with Walsh, Cowel, Cole and Dani.To say you can't compare older musical forms with those of today is also wrong imo. Listening to stuff of the seventies (a time of deep political strife) gives me far more to cling onto than anything Lil Wayne 'drops'.
Well, actually, the sheet music industry is propped up almost entirely by modern music scores of artists just like the ones you mention, not classics. But that is missing the point, since sheet music is not ubiquitous to making music, at all.
I see your point about society, music doesn't really reflect anything much right now because there isn't really (arguably) as much going on.
But there was still plenty of tripe in previous decades. Overwhelming amounts of pap and smeg. And it turns out that the music that stood the test of time, and became "classic" is often the very stuff that was berated at the time for being talentless noise.All music is sneered at when it is contemporary, its way more hip to sample something old.
I don't think you can blame the overwhelming majority of people that enjoy shit music on "the man" either. There is plenty more going on than that.
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No, JLS is dreadful. Akon is dreadful.
Nobody who can actually compose and perform a half decent track - be it pop or not - doesn't deserve to be called talentless.
Talentless or Souless?
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Had to listen to this to clear my ears out after that^^^ monstrosity
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I think this discussion would benefit from a listening to Labi Siffre's "I Don’t Know What’s Happened To The Kids Today" unfortunately it's not on youtube or elsewhere, but is track 3 on this radio madrid podcast thingy:
http://media.libsyn.com/media/radiomadrid/bongomez3.mp3
I don't know what's happened to the kids today
We were different from the kids today
in every way
We didn't have none of this crazy music
We didn't have none of these crazy clothes
We didn't have guys getting high on the doorstop
We didn't have none of those no, no
I don't care for these long haired guys
They need a good bath
They got shifty eyes
They're either sleeping in the park
Begging in the street
Or they're speeding 'round town in a Lotus Elite
(were'd they get the money from anyway?)
I can't say that I fought for kids like you in the war
I fought for kids like the kids I thought you'd be
That's who I was fighting for
Put you all in the army, that's what I'd do
Short back and sides, make men of you
Willi's my boy, he's been good up till now
But last night he said "I'm gonna make it
on my own somehow
Going off with my friends on the road a while
Get away from you, you can drop dead, that's
what you can do!"
I would have thought that after fifty-five years
A body could expect some kind of respect
from the kids today
I don't know what's happened to the kids today
I don't know what's happened to the kids today -
YouTube - Curtis Mayfield - Move On Up
this is pure class,with the shit their spewing out today .akon,neyo,jls its all drivel.as multigrooves lots of great stuff out there but you gotta look for it
http://www.sixmillionsteps.com/drupal/
jfsr online
soulconnexion radio -
PLEASE Listen to the lyrics of this and give me a modern day track that has the the level of musicianship, arrangement and conscientiousness:
YouTube - Ice Cube- Endangered Species (Tales from the Darkside) Remix
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The homophobic side has always bothered me but then most of the musicians I like seem to be flawed. Does it detract from the music?
Sure it does. They're not just melodies, they're songs with lyrics.
I've got these days, when I listen to all the preachy and angry tracks and think, does it really make sense? Is it really more arty than a slack tune about punanny?Anyway, what I'm saying is, it's all about our taste and opinions. A complex matter.
And it's a bad form to slag a fellow musician - especially if one really knows his/her craft/art, only because we think it's not edgy, arty, successful, original enough.
And no, I'm not gonna flounce, because someone straigthened their hair.
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