What is a hipster? Look at this fucking hipster...

Hmmm.

tzarist

Lightspeed Champion is JLS, is Akon.

Your point about being talentless is fair if there wasn't genuine talent in the world to compare it to. Unfortunately to anyone making music nowadays, if you have ears you'll hear incredible music that made decades ago that was revolutionary, intricate, passionate, sparse, complex, communicative, expressive, honest, sincere, 'rocking', relaxing, depressing, uplifting etc etc etc. The standard is out there, it be nice to hear people trying to do something on a par.

That's all

Another hipster statement.
I don't even particularly like this Lightspeed guy. But your argument irks me because it's predictable and short-sighted.

You can't compare music from the past to the music of today, just to prop up a tired argument about how music was once more significant and valuable than it is now because of some completely static definition of "skill".

Firstly, because as well as being "revolutionary", cultural vessels such as music can also become obsolete and banal. Add RATM on facebook and see for yourself.

Secondly, because the values assigned to music as a whole have changed. We don't just listen to the arrangement and revere the skill of the musicians. We buy the record, watch the video, become part of a movement or culture, we invest much more in music than points for "skill". That is why Ludwig will forever be "that bloke off A Clockwork Orange".

Skill takes on many forms, and whether you like it or not, the definition changes, constantly, along with our culture. Music, and most other aspects of life, would be pretty awful if they didn't.

I'm with Hauska on this.

Im not.
jls is akon is rhianna is the saturdays and all that other bullshit that is apparently "music" .
lightspeed champion doesn't deserve to be bundled into that group of inaudible shit that gets spoon-fed to people.
i don't see why "real" music has to be confined to only being made decades ago.
because youre basically wrong.

Another hipster statement.
I don't even particularly like this Lightspeed guy. But your argument irks me because it's predictable and short-sighted.

You can't compare music from the past to the music of today, just to prop up a tired argument about how music was once more significant and valuable than it is now because of some completely static definition of "skill".

Firstly, because as well as being "revolutionary", cultural vessels such as music can also become obsolete and banal. Add RATM on facebook and see for yourself.

Secondly, because the values assigned to music as a whole have changed. We don't just listen to the arrangement and revere the skill of the musicians. We buy the record, watch the video, become part of a movement or culture, we invest much more in music than points for "skill". That is why Ludwig will forever be "that bloke off A Clockwork Orange".

Skill takes on many forms, and whether you like it or not, the definition changes, constantly, along with our culture. Music, and most other aspects of life, would be pretty awful if they didn't.

I'm sorry to have a personal attack here but;

you are a fucking fool

you have prooved that I'm on a totally different level with you here

fuck you

I'm leaving this fucking forum

thanks Oliver.

flouncing over personal opinions over music?
its not even like it's someone has offended you.
its just conflicting views.
grow up.

Unfortunately, on a daily basis, I feel alienated by other peoples ignorance or 'mildly considered' thoughts

I'm personally offended and massively sick of morons

how the shit do I delete my account?

PM Hippy, velocio's away i think.
can i just ask, what do you feel personally offended by?

jesus. lighten up, francis.

The black joes: he walks to angels...

when i was about 14 me and a mate did a version of she talks to angels at a school concert. in the programme it said "richard and allan play 'sue talks to angles' by the black gloves".

Rihanna has a great voice, and one day she will be my wife.

This is a wedding I look forward to hugly

Rihanna - "Look at my lovley white dress max! What do you think?"
Maxcrowe - "...rattle can it black..."

calm down hauska. the world's full of people with terrible taste in music. you thanked oliver for agreeing with you but he's got a shrine to cheryl cole (or something) in his basement. i've got better taste in music than you anyway... and look how happy i am!

fuck you

I'm leaving this fucking forum

thanks Oliver.

I'm not with you on flouncing, Hauska. :)

Hope you reconsider.

you have prooved that I'm on a totally different level with you here

Is this a pun on 'grooved'? hopeful puppy expression

calm down hauska. the world's full of people with terrible taste in music. you thanked oliver for agreeing with you but he's got a shrine to cheryl cole (or something) in his basement. i've got better taste in music than you anyway... and look how happy i am!

Infamy and slander. You're mistaking me for mmccarthy. flounces

I'm sorry to have a personal attack here but;

you are a fucking fool

you have prooved that I'm on a totally different level with you here

fuck you

I'm leaving this fucking forum

thanks Oliver.

oh egg on my face!

Infamy and slander. You're mistaking me for mmccarthy. flounces

hehehe. *actual chuckling

Christ.

That was a pretty impressive explosion there.

What a flounce.

Is it the first flounce over something as trivial as musical preferences?

Man, Hauska really went pop.

chump.

Has this been resolved yet?

Has this been dissolved yet?

funny as fuck, shame I didnt get here earlier.

fuck you

I'm leaving this fucking forum

how the shit do I delete my account?

I love this; like trying to storm out of a room and angrily pushing at a door that open inwards.

he he spot on

Any one who is not listening to The Based God right now is wrong about music. END OF.

I'm quite fed up with people undermining craftsmen. Proper musicians are those.
They have the skill and they use it. Music is there to give us some audio background for our miserable lives.
I also used to consider some musicians as lame or sell-outs years ago, but now I like to listen to them every now and then, because their tracks remind me of the yesteryear. So fucking what?
There are plenty of "artists" I still wouldn't touch with a barge pole - not because I don't "get" them or because their tracks are to bouncy - it's because they're not true musicians/craftsmen nor artists, because they were puppets manufactured by a producer behind them, shaped up by media, thrown into the studio before performing live etc.

People who think that there's a place for one genre only are fools and nothing more. How can you be so narrow minded, people? There's music for dancing and there's music for rioting, there's music for making love and then there's for slashing wrists. And it's all good. There's also musac for the elevators and shopping centres. And it's very needed indeed.

Some years ago I thought that all lovers rock is lame and cringeworthy and ragga is the way to go. Now, after some time spent within the industry, I have more respect for Derrick Harriott than Capleton or Sizzla whose music is appealing to my angst and sense of rhythm, but at the same time disgust me, because of the hypocrisy, misogyny, sexism, homophobia and general cult of the ceiling cat. How can I associate myself with guys who bang about Jehova, but smoke crack backstage, drink Henessy, lock their women in the shack next to their house when they're on their periods? Now, pop lovers rock... Very lame, but has it's integrity in place. Still based on a solid craft.

I respect anyone who can come out on the stage in their local pub and try their material as opposed to any shit which is signed first, then recorded, then video's made.