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• #10052
Hmmmm choices eh?
Do I listen to and go to advice for beans, processes and machines to the World Barista Championships Top espresso roaster who contributes to this thread [hiya Steve] or the roaster at Workshop coffee [hiya Pepe] or do I take advice from a pretentious, patronising ozzie twat…
let me have a maple syrup mocha while I think about that one
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• #10053
Just because some good coffee people contribute, doesn't mean there still isn't a lot of shite in here. I'm sorry if I came off too arrogant, but people are recommending waitrose coffee in here man....
and just so you know my information is all from WBC and experienced roasters/trainers from specialty businesses including workshop coffee.
also good to keep in mind that WBC is heavily scored on performance, and they have no control over the espresso machine settings. (temp)
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• #10054
Im currently working on a collaboration with local Norwich coffee shop Kofra, with my brand Kinsu.. Making some fancy aeropress travel kits and bags. Keep an eye on http://facebook.com/kinsu for the updates, ill try and get them for sale online.
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• #10055
You're problem is that you miss out important info/context when you read it. Waitrose coffee was suggested as a cheap and cheerful option, not as the best coffee out there.
All dark/light discussion is getting boring now. It's only a matter of personal preference. Dark doesn't have to be burned,cheap bad quality beans, and light not always expensive and great quality, as I proved before.
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• #10056
or the ex-roaster at Mission Coffee Works coffee [hiya Pepe]
ftfy, you're not the first, it's very confusing.
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• #10057
Thanks for your response, and you're probably right. I still don't really see the need to recommend something cheap and cheerful when real specialty coffee is actually not expensive.
Of course light roasted coffee doesn't have to be expensive and good quality, but when it comes to being scientific about roasting, there is definitely a small band of profiles that works for each coffee. You can't just roast a nice 90 point kenyan to second crack and expect it to work.
Could you please pm me about how you proved that?
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• #10058
when real specialty coffee is actually not expensive.
Please define your idea of not expensive?
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• #10059
relative to drinking coffee in a cafe. 250g of something nice will be £9-12. thats give or take 16 coffees.
edit: of course you could always buy some crazy geisha for like £25 per 250g
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• #10060
Could you please pm me about how you proved that?
One of the very cheap coffees I've roasted got a great review from Caffeine few issues back. I think it proves the point that coffee doesn't have to be expensive to win at cuppings and get great reviews.
There are a number of roasters doing darker roasts using same green beans as their single origin offers, but it helps to shift older crops quicker when new crops come in, and they are good. It's a common practice. -
• #10061
I mean this in the nicest way possible.
A single review of a cheap coffee by caffeine magazine does not prove anything. I commend you for doing a good job, and it's good that people enjoyed it. That is one opinion (by caffeine no less).
Of course people shift older coffee by roasting it darker and shoving it in a blend, and just because this is common practice, doesn't make it good. In an ideal world we'd always have fresh coffee and not be sacrificing it's subtleties by blending it.
This is touching upon the biggest challenge in specialty, that of the defect named "bag" which I'm sure you are aware of.
I have also enjoyed darker roasted coffees in the past, but nothing comes close to beautiful high scoring delicate and lightly roasted coffees, this is pretty strongly reflected by cupping scores. CoE is a good reference for this.
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• #10062
Caffeine mag was one example only.
To me it does prove the point that you don't have to use the very best to get great results. Personally it was a test to myself rather than proving the point, it only came as a result.
In the ideal world, you say... Maybe on a different planet.
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• #10063
250g of something nice will be £9-12. thats give or take 16 coffees.
Well that's lovely for you, but have you ever considered that some people might not actually be able to afford to spend 4+ the amount over something that provides adequate results? Sorry to intrude on your ivory tower, I'll go back to playing in the mud now
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• #10064
For the most devoted coffee fans perhaps, but for the vast majority of people, who pick up their coffee in the supermarket with the weekly shop, either in instant form or perhaps ground beans in a 2-for-£5 offer, 9-12 quid is a hell of a lot.
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• #10065
Well, considering most of the people wondering about prices of coffee drop a load of cash on a home espresso machine this isn't a common scenario. my issue is with "adequate results". onwards and upwards my friend.
and believe me, I don't earn a lot of money in the coffee industry. I think all of this applies to lots of other consumables. e.g. wine or beer. shit beer is shit, popular, and tastes shit. good beer is more expensive, but you could drink 1/3 the amount of beer and have a great time with your taste buds instead of the alcohol content, and at the end of the day you don't even need beer so why buy shit beer.
isn't this thread about coffee appreciation? like... good coffee love?
anyway this has stopped being about coffee appreciation and information sharing. basically stop promoting shit coffee please, let's drink the nice stuff!
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• #10066
^^ and wot he said ;)
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• #10067
You mean people really buy coffee in a supermarket?
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• #10069
I just got a "suggested post" for Nescafe Azera on Faceache. /csb
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• #10070
in instant form
wat
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• #10071
just go to Monmouths. they have a great selection of coffee and all at really reasonable prices. they will give you as much or as little as you want too. i usually get a selection of small bags of coffee and also a coffee to go for about £10. they eve have a menu so you can read about each origin before you buy. or they will just let you taste it. i tasted almost all of the coffees they had once and only bought a small bag, they i didn't need to get a coffee because id had a load of tasters!
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• #10072
While monmouth has a large selection and is reasonably priced, they have developed a very large following. This has lead them to larger roasts and less consistency, especially with their in-store brewing (watch them make filter with a jug of water and no scales/timer). A good option for someone getting into specialty.
I also don't really like their common use of naturally processed coffee (as opposed to washed). If you're after a larger range from one company I think that Hasbean does a slightly better job of sourcing and roasting.
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• #10073
The thing I think is going over your head, @Lukemdfree, is that everyone's free to do whatever the fuck they want to do. I don't pretend to understand what the fuck's going on when I increase my coffee amount to 19g, all I know is that I think it tastes better. I don't need anyone, and I mean ANYONE to tell me what I think tastes better. Maybe if I give up the hundred other things I obsess to know everything about that take up all of my fucking time like fixing bikes, fixing cars, taking pictures, cameras, phones, my own work, my girlfriend's work, etc etc, blah blah blah, I might decide to become the world's biggest bore about coffee. As it is, my family tolerates it, my gf's family find it a source of mild amusement, and my friends take the piss.
TL;DR
"WHATEVER, I DO WHAT I WANT" Eric Cartman Esq.
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• #10075
I know fuck all about coffee but just reading on here ordered a few bits from Rave. I am sure they will be more than adequate for my coffee needs at work.
What I was trying to convey is that dark roast isn't really a matter of opinion, it's there because the green coffee sucked in the first place.