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hippy I'd rather the money was spent providing cyclists like me with light-weight surface-to-surface missiles with the new Twat Targeting system.
Will this do Hippy?
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Skullhead God I'm totally sick of this argument already. Fucking bike lanes and bike-only routes are shit. I come from Milton Keynes, where they have a seemily-amazing integrated network called the 'Redways' that's almost entirely seperate from the road systom - which is quite a good thing as almost all 'grid' roads (the main routes that criss-cross the city) are 60mph. But no-one uses them hardly, cos the road system is so good and the whole city is oriented around car use, and quite spread out. The only cyclists you see are lycra-pervs on carboner bikes who won't use the 'redways' cos they're too winding and indirect (in order to underpass or avoid being near the roads). When I have cycled there daily in my youth and from time to time more recently there's literally fuck all people using them Its really really sad.
Forget cycle routes and lanes, educate drivers and cyclists to use the roads together. I'm all for 20 mph in town though, that's a good idea, provided we see a concerted effort to remove traffic lights in favour of more dynamic and free flowing crossings... with pedestrians taking priority (at crossings only, and start fining people for jaywalking elsewhere), cyclists next in the pecking order, down to 18 wheelers at the bottom. Oh and yummy fucking 4x4 mummies at the very very back of the queue... Or am I talking out of my arse I dunno.
so why do segregated cycleways work so well in the Netherlands and Germany etc? 'cos there, they're brilliant.
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Actually I was in Brighton at the weekend and cycled some of the red cycle path (From out past the mariner heading in towards brighton).
It's stunning. The surface was absolutely spot on, smooth as lubricated sin.I do however have two potential problems with it.
Firstly, how long is the surface likely to stay like that. I can hardly see it being maintained in the manner that it deserves.
Secondly, it's great for a nice slow jaunt (I was riding with a friend who hasn't been on a bike in 7 years). But it's not viable as a main route. Bikes should be on roads, simple as. The sooner that drivers are educated to the fact that cyclists are legitimate traffic the better. -
bombadil [quote]Skullhead God I'm totally sick of this argument already. Fucking bike lanes and bike-only routes are shit. I come from Milton Keynes, where they have a seemily-amazing integrated network called the 'Redways' that's almost entirely seperate from the road systom - which is quite a good thing as almost all 'grid' roads (the main routes that criss-cross the city) are 60mph. But no-one uses them hardly, cos the road system is so good and the whole city is oriented around car use, and quite spread out. The only cyclists you see are lycra-pervs on carboner bikes who won't use the 'redways' cos they're too winding and indirect (in order to underpass or avoid being near the roads). When I have cycled there daily in my youth and from time to time more recently there's literally fuck all people using them Its really really sad.
Forget cycle routes and lanes, educate drivers and cyclists to use the roads together. I'm all for 20 mph in town though, that's a good idea, provided we see a concerted effort to remove traffic lights in favour of more dynamic and free flowing crossings... with pedestrians taking priority (at crossings only, and start fining people for jaywalking elsewhere), cyclists next in the pecking order, down to 18 wheelers at the bottom. Oh and yummy fucking 4x4 mummies at the very very back of the queue... Or am I talking out of my arse I dunno.
so why do segregated cycleways work so well in the Netherlands and Germany etc? 'cos there, they're brilliant.[/quote]
A lot of roads in the Netherlands are too small for cars which is why everyone cycles instead. Also, the law falls in favour of cyclists where the roads are shared, so cars are far more cautious and respectful. Cyclists aren't perceived as a distinct group there, as most people (in Amsterdam at least) seem to use them.
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Object Actually I was in Brighton at the weekend and cycled some of the red cycle path (From out past the mariner heading in towards brighton).
It's stunning. The surface was absolutely spot on, smooth as lubricated sin.I do however have two potential problems with it.
Firstly, how long is the surface likely to stay like that. I can hardly see it being maintained in the manner that it deserves.
Secondly, it's great for a nice slow jaunt (I was riding with a friend who hasn't been on a bike in 7 years). But it's not viable as a main route. Bikes should be on roads, simple as. The sooner that drivers are educated to the fact that cyclists are legitimate traffic the better.the surface is great in places and has been for ages. but in other spots it's rubbish, bumpier than the road.
and you're right about it being on the road. during a sunny day like saturday you have to cycle about 2mph for fear of hitting another kid/tourist/numpty/dog. fine for commuting as it's usually quite in the morning and evenings.
i really support this idea of freeways/highways for one reason. it may mean that our towns end up more like amstedam or copenhagen. that can only be a good thing. i won't be holding my breath though, we do seem to love sitting in city traffic jams in our cars!
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The path over the cliffs towards saltdean is beautiful. I'd ignored, for instance the surfaces along the beach front. They're like riding with a rampant rabbit replacing both of your wheels.
You're spot on with the freeways though. Any shift from this dire british concept of pollution causing transport would be a great benefit.
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Skullhead God I'm totally sick of this argument already. Fucking bike lanes and bike-only routes are shit. I come from Milton Keynes, where they have a seemily-amazing integrated network called the 'Redways' that's almost entirely seperate from the road systom - which is quite a good thing as almost all 'grid' roads (the main routes that criss-cross the city) are 60mph. But no-one uses them hardly, cos the road system is so good and the whole city is oriented around car use, and quite spread out. The only cyclists you see are lycra-pervs on carboner bikes who won't use the 'redways' cos they're too winding and indirect (in order to underpass or avoid being near the roads). When I have cycled there daily in my youth and from time to time more recently there's literally fuck all people using them Its really really sad.
Forget cycle routes and lanes, educate drivers and cyclists to use the roads together. I'm all for 20 mph in town though, that's a good idea, provided we see a concerted effort to remove traffic lights in favour of more dynamic and free flowing crossings... with pedestrians taking priority (at crossings only, and start fining people for jaywalking elsewhere), cyclists next in the pecking order, down to 18 wheelers at the bottom. Oh and yummy fucking 4x4 mummies at the very very back of the queue... Or am I talking out of my arse I dunno.
explains alot, you coming from milton keynes :p
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i just wanted to say two things -
1 - imagine critical mass but its just a normal commute in the summer on a cycle only road
2 - all of these efforts are good but sometimes i find them annoying. the whole London freewheel thing (ken needs some support IMO) was crap people saying "its great that we can cycle in London today", regardless of the fact that so many people were already using the roads everyday. I think its just when people ignore the fact that it is already possible to cycle and if more people did it then maybe more people would pay attention to us. (i think what i said makes no sense -i just get annoyed when people don't think of the needs of the current cyclist and says its not possible to cycle in london when it is)
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There once was a man from Milton Keynes,
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Tell someone who's new to cycling that "it's okay except I nearly get hit once a week by some numpty" and they're not gonna be too likely to mix it up with the cars.
Segregated paths in NL work because they go EVERYWHERE and are well signed.
Over here, they are behind schedule on building the existing paths, let alone the new ones they're talking about.I don't want segregated paths, personally, but if they got more people on bikes, that means less cars in the capital. I so want less cars in the capital.
How about getting rid of all the stupid on-road parking on popular cycle routes? Make all those 'advisory' bike lanes enforceable and, shock horror, actually enforce them? It'd be nice if I only had to worry about the numptys driving alongside rather than the numptys swinging open doors as well.
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How about getting rid of all the stupid on-road parking on popular cycle routes? Make all those 'advisory' bike lanes enforceable and, shock horror, actually enforce them? It'd be nice if I only had to worry about the numptys driving alongside rather than the numptys swinging open doors as well.Yes, yes & again yes.
I'm very torn by the whole thing: Money, facilities & priority to cyclists is great. More wobbly cyclists wibbling around slowing down my commute not great. Guess I'm just a nimby.
Even after the weekend's good weather you can see the increase in cyclists on the roads this week - I think summer is going to get very hectic. Mebbe need to find a quieter route.
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villa-ru [quote]hippy
How about getting rid of all the stupid on-road parking on popular cycle routes? Make all those 'advisory' bike lanes enforceable and, shock horror, actually enforce them? It'd be nice if I only had to worry about the numptys driving alongside rather than the numptys swinging open doors as well.Yes, yes & again yes.
I'm very torn by the whole thing: Money, facilities & priority to cyclists is great. More wobbly cyclists wibbling around slowing down my commute not great. Guess I'm just a nimby.
Even after the weekend's good weather you can see the increase in cyclists on the roads this week - I think summer is going to get very hectic. Mebbe need to find a quieter route.[/quote]
Leave early or late. If you are central-ish by 08:00 or after 09:30 it is never too bad. It's the 08:15-09:00 rush that is mad.
We are all nimbys at heart.
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How about getting rid of all the stupid on-road parking on popular cycle routes? Make all those 'advisory' bike lanes enforceable and, shock horror, actually enforce them? It'd be nice if I only had to worry about the numptys driving alongside rather than the numptys swinging open doors as well.
If they start let parking attendants fine you for parking in a bike lane, ooooh just think.... MWUH HA HA HA HA
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nah hire more beurocrats and cops, increase salary for the ones they already have, then they need more money so sell some essential services to a private company to run at a profit. any one wonder why tube fare goes up?
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God I'm totally sick of this argument already. Fucking bike lanes and bike-only routes are shit. I come from Milton Keynes, where they have a seemily-amazing integrated network called the 'Redways' that's almost entirely seperate from the road systom - which is quite a good thing as almost all 'grid' roads (the main routes that criss-cross the city) are 60mph. But no-one uses them hardly, cos the road system is so good and the whole city is oriented around car use, and quite spread out. The only cyclists you see are lycra-pervs on carboner bikes who won't use the 'redways' cos they're too winding and indirect (in order to underpass or avoid being near the roads). When I have cycled there daily in my youth and from time to time more recently there's literally fuck all people using them Its really really sad.
Forget cycle routes and lanes, educate drivers and cyclists to use the roads together. I'm all for 20 mph in town though, that's a good idea, provided we see a concerted effort to remove traffic lights in favour of more dynamic and free flowing crossings... with pedestrians taking priority (at crossings only, and start fining people for jaywalking elsewhere), cyclists next in the pecking order, down to 18 wheelers at the bottom. Oh and yummy fucking 4x4 mummies at the very very back of the queue... Or am I talking out of my arse I dunno.