1950 Holdsworth cyclone renovation (completed pics 11/3)

So the geometry for the path and track is the same
only the path bike has more braze on's for outdoors accessories

asm 48x17 is a pretty aggressive gear for riding on the streets, brakeless, with tubs

The 1950 Gillott and I did L'eroica (200k,mostly on unpaved gravel roads) with a 50x20 and tubs. Grip is so overrated.
Right now its got a 23x7 inch pitch, which means I can kick dales ass on the track at vintage day...its a little steep for the road though :(

incidentally,dont suppose anybodys got a 9tooth inch pitch cog lying around so i can take it out again? Dont make me fit a brake...

dogsballs older track frames are definitely slacker. geometry started to tighten up in late 60's as a guess. definitely tight in 70's, although some are still relaxed, like the no name dutch frame i ride as a commuter. track/path were drilled but also tended to have mudguard eyelets as well and pump bosses. but you could mix and match. i stuck to track because it had no eyelets. if i ran 27" wheels it would fill the forks, but track bikes tended to have tubs which are 622 or 700c, and clinchers of this era are 27" or 630. i'm about to build up some clincher 27" so will see how it looks.

I was told that the main reason old track frames have such high clearances (and muguard eyes etc... if applicable) was because most ppl who brought them needed a bike to ride to work on as well (being as most ppl would only have one bike) so the track frame would have to suffice. Therefore a frame for road and track.

That's a track path though, hence the drillings and braze ons. They didn't ride brakeless on the road BITD.

eggpie [quote]which means I can kick dales ass on the track at vintage day...
My grandma could kick Dale's arse on the track at a vintage day :p

eggpie [quote]asm 48x17 is a pretty aggressive gear for riding on the streets, brakeless, with tubs

The 1950 Gillott and I did L'eroica (200k,mostly on unpaved gravel roads) with a 50x20 and tubs. Grip is so overrated.
Right now its got a 23x7 inch pitch, which means I can kick dales ass on the track at vintage day...its a little steep for the road though :(

incidentally,dont suppose anybodys got a 9tooth inch pitch cog lying around so i can take it out again? Dont make me fit a brake...[/quote]
seen a few on ebay recently, i've got some other sprockets, track day will drop to 16T, might find a 15T ;)

nice steel... jeez you're mad for it

still pondering having those 27s off yer, can't really justify it to me bird, but hey I've got loft she can't really see into...

Hello, I'm new here although I've been riding for a while.
I've just inherited a kingfisher blue Holdsworth Cyclone de luxe (serial No. 9844). It's pretty original and very, very rusty with some distinct missing parts like a rear wheel and a BB.

Will post photos when I take some. Restoration has been inspired by you dogsballs just choosing who to take it to for a blasting.

Does anyone make 27"x1/4" wheels any more? What size BB would it be needing?

Cheers in advance

argos or mercian, but will be £100-200.

can get new 27" easy, check out SJS http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/category-27-rim-(630)-170.htm

can get old cottered BB on ebay, pretty easy, replace with new bearings.

nice one, cheers.
Once I've passed my nursery probation I'll post up some pics.

I think I will be taking her to Mercian.

wow that really is the dogsball's!

Hi

Just discovered this thread and its beautifull pictures, and I though I could maybe post pics of my own Holdsworth, even if what I've done is not a purist work as Dogsballs superb work!

First of all, this is a conversion, and the parts are all more modern than the frame, as you can see...
I changed the crank set since as I could not achieve good chain tensionning with the one you can see on the picture (a bit oval and not true).
This was as well originally mounted with 27X1/4 wheels, and I the brake pad now is really at the limit of the adjustment!

The guy from Holdsworth cycles in Putney told me the frame is probably from the 50s, but I don't know what would be the model / name of it. It is very simple (was more like a touring bike originally) and the lugs are very minimalists. If anyone has an idea about this...

Cheers.

Loic

Bloody lovely that Loic. Don't suppose you have the 27x1 1/4" rear for sale do you?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nkilgariff/ He's the man.

Can't see anything that truly matches, but then I can't with mine either. It's badged as a cyclone deluxe but has the forks of a La Quelda...

The answer's in the lugs...

Bloody lovely that Loic. Don't suppose you have the 27x1 1/4" rear for sale do you?

Well... I still have the 27"X1/4 wheels, but the are pretty shit... Steel rigida rim, not terribly true, touring size, with 2 tires whose size do not match... The hubs are of a poor quality as well, and one the front one the there is a protective steel cap covering the bearing that always falls... I used them for quite a long time after I bough the bike, but I have to say it was a relief to put "modern wheels" on, even if they were 700cc...

I would be ashamed to sell them...

Loic

who did your paint job by the way it looks grand. I had a Dawes in the eighties in brown and gold, lovely bike. There's one gets parked down near The Strand, not a fixie, but it makes me smile when I cycle past it.

who did your paint job by the way it looks grand. I had a Dawes in the eighties in brown and gold, lovely bike. There's one gets parked down near The Strand, not a fixie, but it makes me smile when I cycle past it.

The paint job is original I believe... That's the good thing about "gloss" black bikes, it is very easy to touch up with a pen/brush for car (from Halfords), and it looks good if you don't look from too close. When I got the bike, there were quite a lot of little scratches here and there but I spent a bit of time covering them all, and I also I redrawn the gold letters (some were damaged) with some gold paint from a model shop. I did that 3 years ago and it seems to last and age OK... There was no lug lining on the fork originaly, I added that with the same model paint...

You should put pics of your bike too!

Loic

I shall. It's going to be a long rebuild. It has sat rusting for 40 years untouched. Amazingly I pumped up the front tyre and it's stayed up for 2 days....

must be a sign....

http://www.londonfgss.com/members5021-albums301-picture1462.jpg

Hi ; I saw my dad today, and he used to be a racing cyclist in a London cycling club called the Dulwich Paragon. Anyway,he's got a Holdsworth Cyclone 1951 22.5" fixed wheel bike which is in really good condition. He wants to sell it and asked me to put it on ebay....but having googled various searches, this forum seems to be where people who love this type of bike seem to be. I'm at joemattscott@aol.com if anyone's interested (we're in ESSEX). I'll also keep an eye on this thread :-) Cheers!

Great job on this! I've recently bought a Holdsworth Mistral frame from the early 70s (maybe even older, cant find seem to find the specific model online), and am also planning a full restoration job on it. Seeing this has definetly given me a good idea what the finished product will look like....and given me some hope that it will actually look good haha. Will start posting away when i get started with my frame.

But yeah, really like this.

Great job on this! I've recently bought a Holdsworth Mistral frame from the early 70s (maybe even older, cant find seem to find the specific model online), and am also planning a full restoration job on it. Seeing this has definetly given me a good idea what the finished product will look like....and given me some hope that it will actually look good haha. Will start posting away when i get started with my frame.

But yeah, really like this.

http://ibikedb.net/bikes/6429?f=fb

http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/bikes/holdsworth-sm-rb.html

and then, this:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/holdsw.html

so sad, saw this bike last night, stripped of all the nice period vintage parts and running cheap ass stuff with cheese cranks. booo!!!

Beautiful looking bike!

so sad, saw this bike last night, stripped of all the nice period vintage parts and running cheap ass stuff with cheese cranks. booo!!!

That sucks... :[

so sad, saw this bike last night, stripped of all the nice period vintage parts and running cheap ass stuff with cheese cranks. booo!!!

:(

hope at least they put risers and an arrospok on it.