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if i was sitting in a pub and this guy pulled out that treehugger article and said that he wrote it I would quite happily tell him that he was a prick and why. but in a friendly way!
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hurrah for cookies!
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Sparky This isn't cool. The guy wrote a piece that you disagree with and you call him, a friend of mine, a knob.
If we were all sitting in a pub talking about this you wouldn't say that to his face, and I don't see why you feel justified in doing it now.
yes i would!! what do you expect from a ridiculously un-informed poorly researched article!!
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Does they guy realise that fixed gear bikes were around longer that our freewheeling counterparts? maybe the traffic conditions were a bit different then. but the only people who are dangerous on a fixed gear bike are the people who dont know how to ride them ..I mean you wouldnt let a guy who had a regular car license drive a HGV with no experience, maybe my analogy is off ..what im trying to say is when riding fixed (for me anyway) I feel as though I have elevated my style of riding, I know enough about my bike, my limits I enjoy the challenge but I am aware of the risks. I have two bikes one with a front brake one brakeless as with both I know my limits on each one and adjust my riding style accordingly.
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lets have a hanging.
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Hi Sparky, sorry to contradict but I would actually.
In this case I've made no reference to the writer being anything as my rant is directed at more than just his article and it would be shortsighted for me to infer anything about him without listing the writer of all of the other pieces, something I have neither the time or inclination to do. so it's a mute pointHowever, that said, I see no reason that I wouldn't insult someone face to face based on an actual discussion of a topic. It's not the most intelligent way of dealing with an argument, as per the expample below.
Person A; I believe that SO & So is true
Person B; You are so wrong you cunt
Person A; I hate youBut it's more likely that in a face to face conversation that I would call someone a "narrow minded fool" if they didn't at least try to view things from the point of view of the other side of the argument. Obviously this would involve me also having attempted the same.
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Seriously, what's the point in arguing about it?
The survey asks "should fixed wheel bikes be allowed on the road?" then goes on to define fixed wheel bikes as brakeless. Which are not (legally) allowed on the road. The whole survey has been poorly thought out, poorly researched and is basically a huge waste of time.
It's like saying "Should shooting people be illegal?"
(BTW I'm not comparing brakeless to shooting people, just making a point)
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JimL Seriously, what's the point in arguing about it?
The survey asks "should fixed wheel bikes be allowed on the road?" then goes on to define fixed wheel bikes as brakeless. Which are not (legally) allowed on the road. The whole survey has been poorly thought out, poorly researched and is basically a huge waste of time.
It's like saying "Should shooting people be illegal?"
(BTW I'm not comparing brakeless to shooting people, just making a point)
fuck.....is that illegal now too?
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sparky,
the writer of the article is your friend, and in your opinion good people, but that doesn't stop the article/survey being a poorly written piece designed to provoke a visceral response, from those that know about fixed gear and those that just don't like cyclists in general. People here are responding to the tone of the piece and venting as they would on any article which basically says what your doing is wrong and shouldn't be allowed. the title of your post and the survey is should fixed gear bikes be allowed on the road, wouldn't it have made more sense to say is riding brakeless a good idea?
I don't know how often you visit the forum sparky, but the whole brake/brakeless, red light jumping, helmet/no helmet debate, just descends into anarchy and vitriol and people entrenched in their positions, maybe as lloyd's friend you might have been better served to say that this survey will just cause grief and maybe it should be phrased in another less volatile way. Most people who do ride fixed have a front brake and the irritation comes from those who are ill informed about this and then propagate the fallacy that every fixed rider is riding brakeless out into the internet ether.
If people want to ride brakeless, thats their choice, as long as they don't take me and mine out because they haven't the experience to control their machine. Thats their decision, personally I don't but I don't villify those that do, as this survey sets out to. -
cornelius blackfoot sparky,
the writer of the article is your friend, and in your opinion good people, but that doesn't stop the article/survey being a poorly written piece designed to provoke a visceral response, from those that know about fixed gear and those that just don't like cyclists in general. People here are responding to the tone of the piece and venting as they would on any article which basically says what your doing is wrong and shouldn't be allowed. the title of your post and the survey is should fixed gear bikes be allowed on the road, wouldn't it have made more sense to say is riding brakeless a good idea?
I don't know how often you visit the forum sparky, but the whole brake/brakeless, red light jumping, helmet/no helmet debate, just descends into anarchy and vitriol and people entrenched in their positions, maybe as lloyd's friend you might have been better served to say that this survey will just cause grief and maybe it should be phrased in another less volatile way. Most people who do ride fixed have a front brake and the irritation comes from those who are ill informed about this and then propagate the fallacy that every fixed rider is riding brakeless out into the internet ether.
If people want to ride brakeless, thats their choice, as long as they don't take me and mine out because they haven't the experience to control their machine. Thats their decision, personally I don't but I don't villify those that do, as this survey sets out to.+1
The guy may be a good fella and a buddy of yours, but he's descending to Daily Hate levels in order to stir a 'debate'
It's ignorant, lazy journalism written by someone who is more interested in getting people to read his site than he is presenting a balanced and knowledgable opinion.
It's pathetic, to be honest.
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How illegal is brakeless?
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069866
"ensure your brakes are efficient" to stop you?
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