Let's offroad / mountain bike / mtb / ride dirt

That is a big stack on the raaw

Nah, only for XC bikes. The rest of MTBing cares more about how the bike feels in the tech stuff when you are likely to be out of the saddle, so your contact points are only pedals and bars. Reach is the important measurement.

This RAD stuff really does seem like overthinking it. You only have to see how much variation similar size pros have in their set-up to realise it's all personal. You also have to get used to how a bike rides and adjust your technique to get the best out of any set-up.

186cm here and my new XL Trance X has a reach of 510/519mm and I use a 35mm stem. The Giant website sizing said I should be size L but I have a smaller HT for local twisty stuff, the Giant is for fast and/or steep!

Kind of but more importantly it’s the hypotenuse that is the most important for basic fit. Then stack and reach need to be adjusted for the type of riding. Also the basic stack and reach of a frame don’t take into account the huge variations available due to stem lengths (32 -110mm),bar rise (o-40mm) and bar backsweep (often ranging from 10-60mm) and spacer stack

So with my current bike I can get the hypotenuse but the front end is about 4cm lower than I need it to be. Raise it up with spacers or bars and then the hypotenuse becomes too long because the reach is too long.

Stem and bars can only do so much to accommodate but I need inverse shim stem as the frame is just too long.

Mountain biking is more fun than road. Discuss.

Does that not put you over James' ideal RAD measurements ?
Interesting they're shorter reach at XL than his L.

No idea about RAD, it's an awful lot of fun though.

Think I'll take up gravel biking instead

Is that not what you've been doing this whole time?

#atb4lyf

LLB bar width formula suggests I should be using 884mm wide bars

Haha! Aye, mine is also pretty ridiculous, maybe not quite as bad as your but I think it was over 830mm.

Do bars over 820 even exist?

lol someone better tell the EWS pros who are now mostly running 720-750...

Do bars over 820 even exist?

Only if @M_V makes them for you :-)

Funny, I now remember it was his comedy bar width suggestions that put me off listening to anything he said. Very hard to take those numbers seriously.

You only have to see how much variation similar size pros have in their set-up to realise it's all personal. You also have to get used to how a bike rides and adjust your technique to get the best out of any set-up.

Nailed it

It is designed to primarily go down steep stuff.

Difficult to not have a high stack height with a 180mm fork

This thread is dump now.
Absolutely reeks.

And you keep adding to it

🤣🤣🤣

Pooey

170 in this case, but yes. 180mm is an option, but will slacken it out and so on (slightly).

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Yes my trail bike stack is likely similar, I've lots of spacers under stem.

But also, of course, it's an Enduro bike, James' is talking about his trail bike.

Which would be closer to the Jibb:

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I've lots of spacers under stem

Surly thread >>>>>

I should be using 884mm wide bars

Sounds like punching a lot of trees.

Funny, I now remember it was his comedy bar width suggestions that put me off listening to anything he said.

Me?

Think he means LLB