Road Rage

Violence is never the answer, cyclist bloke should be thoroughly ashamed of himself, no excuse, they were only kids, ought to have behaved more reasonably, tsk tsk

Top work, though. How hard would he have needed to punch that window to actually smash it?! And then punch the occupant afterwards! Is the guy's real name Bruce Banner?

Or a hand extension with 'Fahg' tattooed on it.......

Not sure if this: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=southampton+road,+titchfield&hl=en&ll=50.854712,-1.243451&spn=0.01165,0.023046&sll=50.856218,-1.245255&sspn=0.023298,0.046091&hnear=Southampton+Rd,+Titchfield,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=50.854791,-1.243575&panoid=cnuoDk7EM1MPAi7coSRfOw&cbp=12,320.75,,0,3.89 is the spot

Justice Man strikes again

While I am sure that this only paints one side of the picture and we will probably never hear the other side unless the cyclist is identified, I cannot think that violence is ever acceptable in such circumstances unless it is in self defence. There is enough nonsense from motorists about "the war against cyclists" and twerps like the one yesterday tweeting about how good it would be to knock a cyclist off his or her bike. We don't need this.

My current modus operandi is passive aggressive politeness. If I cannot restrain a comment, using words that offend without being vulgar or profane is generally more hurtful. Using fists is never wise.

I do school runs with my older kid most days - fixed wheel bike sleeps in the garage.... We go on the tandem and apply simply strategies

• cycle defensively (middle of the road and so on)
  
• make yourself visible (several light on the front and back, hi-vis bags and so on)
  
  

today?, day not different to the other days ...or was it?

couple of days ago one of the school mothers decided that since she is driving (people carrier - rust bucket old vw) I supposed to foff on the pavement when the cars are parked on her side and I cycle on the 'empty side of the road - not sure how to visualize this for you). And she pulled of an went straight at me ...

yes, I was wrong(??)! - I have approached her and told that it was dangerous and she should have gave me a way rather than go straight at me.

yes, she was right(??) to tell me that since I cycle with a child I should foff on the pavement and get out of the way as that is more safe for both of us...

then she got her friend involved by bitching at me in the front of me ...

yes, I was wrong (???) (again) as I have approached them and tried to talk to them... and were swear at and told to foof again ...

today? today one of the ladies husband attacked me saying that if I am going to be aggressive to the ladies again he won't be nice to me anymore...(threat?) After a couple of secs of an inside fight decided to stay on the nice side of the force and be polite (why?).

And Now the school headteacher will look into this with us as the man all the sudden got afraid and angry about my camera on my helmet and fact I might have been recording earlier and now.

Do you think it is me? Something wrong I am doing? Or drivers attitude towards cyclists as nutters (as I been called)... ???

I dont jump red light though...

Fun fun fun.

btw

The offence
The offence is created by section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986:
"(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he:
(a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
(b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

Arrest
Sections 5(4) and (5) of the 1986 Act formerly provided a statutory power of arrest (which required a warning to be given beforehand). They were repealed by section 174 of, and Part 2 of Schedule 17 to, the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005. Arrest for this offence is now governed by section 24 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (as substituted by the 2005 Act).

https://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-riders-103-to-158/general-advice-144-to-158
Home -> Driving, transport, and travel -> The Highway Code
General rules, techniques and advice for all drivers and riders
(103 to 158)
152
Residential streets. You should drive slowly and carefully on streets where there are likely to be pedestrians, cyclists and parked cars. In some areas a 20 mph (32 km/h) maximum speed limit may be in force. Look out for
• vehicles emerging from junctions or driveways
• vehicles moving off
• car doors opening
• pedestrians
• children running out from between parked cars
• cyclists and motorcyclists.

video pls?

Last year some really HC messenger i forgot who drove his bike through the windshield and pulled the driver out through it during a brawl. Since then that is always the scene that pops up in my head when someone honks at me or rev's their engine aggressive.

i saw a cyclist being tailgated on the Kings Road, he stopped, picked the bike up and hurled it onto the bonnet of the car.

school got dragged into this because of my camera on the helmet - guy went spasmodic when realised I wear one.

was told to remove all the recording from the school property as I have had no permission to record there.

I have mixed feelings about how to react as from one hand my 'manly' side wants to headbut some peolpe from the other there is no win in that (apart from pleasure). the older I get the more the 'legal' action seems appropriate.

Conclusion? Since school involved I will see what we can do sticking to the letter of law.

But you are right I feel sometimes tempted to have a spray on my handlebar and spray cars passing to close to me ...

Surely the recording wasn't made on school property, but on the public highway? Tell them to do one.

School sometimes try and tell me off with some nonsense about cycling, be it helmets or whatever. I just ignore them.

Sounds like you were filming on the highway and they can eff off. If they go for the passive-aggressive approach, ignore. If they write you a letter then I would respond something along the lines of:

Dear Head,

I understand that you object to me filming the dangerous driving and illegal parking that is committed by parents, which puts me and my child at risk. As this behaviour is taking place on a public highway, it is entirely lawful and reasonable for me to film it, both to protect ourselves and as an aid to crime prevention.

However, I would advise you that if you wish to extend your jursidiction beyond the school gates that you may be deemed partially or fully liable for accidents caused in this area, e.g., by your failure to ensure that parents drive and park safely, and in accordance with the law.

Irrespective of this, I will continue to film the highway and report illegal and dangerous driving to the police when possible.

Yours truly,

etc.

was told to remove all the recording from the school property as I have had no permission to record there.

http://www.axholmecameraclub.co.uk/page10/page10.html

From the above link:

1. No general restrictions exist on taking photographs on private property if the photographer has permission to be there.
   
2. However, the owner can impose conditions on entry including “No Photography” (eg. National Trust; concert venues; museums; football grounds)
   
3. In addition, even if the property is open to the public, owners are within their rights to ask you to stop taking photos and ask you to leave, including offices; shops; shopping malls (I think we call them “centres” here in the UK - Ed).
   
4. Law of Trespass/Right to Roam - allows access to all land, waterways and foreshores for certain activities, photography being one of the permitted activities.
   
   

If they didn't tell you beforehand that you're not allowed to record there, then that's their problem. The images you've recorded also legally belong to you, not them, and so they can't insist they be deleted. They can, if they want, insist that you don't record anything else on their property. Other than that, they can get fucked and so can the meat-head who threatened you.

I will see what school has to say about this.... I will keep you posted.

cheers for that bothwell.

You didn't do anything wrong.

Keep the recording, they're useful to show your side of the story.

If you're a member of the LCC, you can ask their advice on how to approach this situation.

Most importantly, keep your cool, losing out just enforce their side of the story that you're just a nutter.

I keep reporting idiots too.
best one I had was a bag of rubbish thrown at me on the duel carriageway ... missed my front wheel by inchies ... - mind you I was going about 22-25mph - most funny was a fact that they got stopped in the traffic 200y further ...
I have stopped in the front of them took some pics and rang police.
Policeman came to me office to interview me and to tell me that they cannot do anything since no harm done ...
that is bollocks but what can you do?

interestingly you are not allowed to record on school premises at any rate.

it might be a grey area but apparently it can be pulled under kids protection and police may treat you as a suspect of having wrong interest in kids.

thin line between protecting yourself and getting yourself in the trouble.

says which law?

no idea but was advised by a police that if one of the parents reports you as recording on school ground you "rather will then may" get arrested.

that then may lead to proper search for inappropriate materials related to kids and so on.

if by any chance one child will decide to change while you record and you will manage to record that ...

is it on school ground? I was under the impression it was outside the school ground on the road...

Change schools !

The school our eldest goes to treats cycling parents as if they walk on water - anyone seen doing a school run in a car receives, at best, a scowl at the entrance gates. They even send out flyers to parents asking them not to drive !

i took a call from a friend last night, he was cut up by a small call and shouted some abuse at the driver.
the driver proceeded to U turn produce a gun and asked him if he "wanted to die tonight"
Makes you think doesn't it, sometimes it may be just not worth it.