• I have been talking about the benefits of wearing one for the past 2 or so pages. I havent once said you should wear one. I dont understand why people need to question if wearing one is safe. Any one with even a ounce of care for other human beings would try and make people aware of the dangers of not wearing one. But you know... There is always one or two fools who want to try act the clever fucker and come up with a twat argument to try and put down what someone is saying.

  • I have been talking about the benefits of wearing one for the past 2 or so pages. I havent once said you should wear one.

    Vicks, you've been boasting about the benefit of helmet and calling those who doesn't wear helmet a cunt, you don't even need to tell everyone to put a helmet on;

    most other fuckwits on here think its a good idea to question that and put even more reason not to wear a helmet into the heads of those who think its to un-cool to wear one. and personally i think thats fucking stupid.

    Should i have been wearing my helmet or do you think i should have been like some of those hispter twats and looked in the mirror to see if i looked cool without my helmet before i went out that day.

    etc.

    Like many other has clearly said and explained in the previous few post and with great detail, we don't care if you wear a helmet or not, it doesn't make you less of a proboscis trollop.

    But preaching their safety like an evangelistic Christian who's dead set that the earth is only 6,000 years old does make you more of a proboscis trollop, in fact, you have the behaviour of a troll who doesn't listen to anyone but his own rasping voice.

    dont even understand why people even have to debate wearing a helmet. If i had been wearing my helmet 2 months a go i probably wouldnt be suffering from short term memory loss...and maybe half the scars on my face wouldnt be here now and i wouldnt of had the lenses from my glasses implanted in my cheeks. So what do ya think?

    You sound like you'll benefit greatly from Cycle Training rather than spending another £40 on a new helmets, with training, you can avoid having an collision.

    Best to avoid the chance of a collision than to prepare for one*

    *(doesn't mean you don't need helmet, it is your choice after all).

  • I have been talking about the benefits of wearing one for the past 2 or so pages. I havent once said you should wear one. I dont understand why people need to question if wearing one is safe. Any one with even a ounce of care for other human beings would try and make people aware of the dangers of not wearing one. But you know... There is always one or two fools who want to try act the clever fucker and come up with a twat argument to try and put down what someone is saying.

    You've convinced me. From now on I am going to spend more time trying to help make people better, safer cyclists. Thanks. Without your words of wisdom, so intelligently and cogently expressed, I might never have seen the way.

  • After I crashed last year a number of people asked me; "were you wearing a helmet?" "Yes," I would reply, "but sadly not on my arse."

  • since helmets aren't compulsary each person can do their own risk assessment and make their own decision.

    See what you are saying as it is down to decision but I don't think the general public can be trusted with risk analysis!

    The same people that feel it is still okay to use a phone whilst driving, speeding, overtaking on blind corners etc, etc,. all things that don't even need a risk analysis as they are illegal to start with.

  • Ed, what the hell is a 'proboscis trollop'?

    I have been talking about the benefits of wearing one for the past 2 or so pages. I havent once said you should wear one. I dont understand why people need to question if wearing one is safe. Any one with even a ounce of care for other human beings would try and make people aware of the dangers of not wearing one. But you know... There is always one or two fools who want to try act the clever fucker and come up with a twat argument to try and put down what someone is saying.

    nyquil, have you actually read much of this thread? If you had, you'd probably realise that it's not as simple a matter as you seem to make it out to be when you say 'Any one with even a ounce of care for other human beings would try and make people aware of the dangers of not wearing one'. Do study the actual evidence that's been gathered about helmet use to find out about the problems with this statement.

    Also, if you assume that Will of all people isn't rather well-informed about helmets, you're quite mistaken. It's a long-running topic, which many on here have been over many, many times, and there are a couple of useful links in the thread. If you care passionately about this, it's a very worthwhile subject to educate yourself about.

  • I witnessed a wonderous sight last evening. Riding along Great Eastern Street in a westerly direction between Commercial Street and the Foundry, I followed another cyclist and then passed him. The first thing I noticed was that although his pedals had straps, he was using the underside of the pedal and therefore had no foot retention. I then saw that he was riding brakeless. I was very impressed that he should do so without being strapped in but not as impressed as I was when I realised that he was riding a singlespeed with a free wheel. Epic: brakeless single speed ftw. That is what I call a really cool dude. His riding style was necessarily interesting. He needed to anticipate any need to slow or stop and so rode quite slowly most of the time and used his feet to stop himself completely. Riding like that in heavy traffic was so cool and clearly evidenced the mind of a superior being. Total class. Let's hope it becomes a trend.

    I'm pleased to say that he wasn't wearing a helmet. A helmet in such circumstances would have been overly ironic.

  • Enforcing seat belt usage saves a lot of lives and healthcare costs etc, as it is proven to be a good safety measure.

    Not proven. See:

    http://www.movingtargetzine.com/article/risk-compensation

  • There is always one or two fools who want to try act the clever fucker and come up with a twat argument to try and put down what someone is saying.

    Look, calling people who dare to disagree with you 'fuckers', and describing their arguments as 'twat', isn't the way to convince. You need extensive data, and comprehensive analysis, to convince, not abuse.

  • Not proven. See:
    http://www.movingtargetzine.com/article/risk-compensation

    "Studies by road safety authorities conclude that seat belt legislation has reduced the number of casualties in road accidents." ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation#Effects
    The guys discussing risk compensation agree that this is the case.

    So, even with risk compensation it seems seatbelts are a good idea. If risk compensation overrode the benefits of the belts, deaths would go up, no?

  • Well, depending on who you listen to, the stats aren't conclusive one way or another. I don't think the R4 show is still available, so you'd probably have to buy the paper.

  • "Studies by road safety authorities conclude that seat belt legislation has reduced the number of casualties in road accidents." ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation#Effects
    The guys discussing risk compensation agree that this is the case.

    John Adams thinks that the reduction is a general trend independent of seat belt legislation.

  • "Studies by road safety authorities conclude that seat belt legislation has reduced the number of casualties in road accidents." ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation#Effects
    The guys discussing risk compensation agree that this is the case.

    So, even with risk compensation it seems seatbelts are a good idea. If risk compensation overrode the benefits of the belts, deaths would go up, no?

    Not using Wikipedia as a primary source are we?

  • I have been talking about the benefits of wearing one for the past 2 or so pages. I havent once said you should wear one. I dont understand why people need to question if wearing one is safe. Any one with even a ounce of care for other human beings would try and make people aware of the dangers of not wearing one. But you know... There is always one or two fools who want to try act the clever fucker and come up with a twat argument to try and put down what someone is saying.

    you sound like a religious nutter.

  • Not using Wikipedia as a primary source are we?

    I don't have time to spend all day researching seatbelt studies. Of course I am.

    Feel free to try and turn me against seatbelts. I believe they were successful in Australia but if there's evidence to suggest otherwise.. lay it on.

  • Has this been resolved yet?

  • Balki dear chap, I believe it was some time ago:

    Wear a helmet if you wish. Don't wear one if you don't. Don't disrespect those who chose to wear them; don't preach to those who don't. Whatever you have on your head, ride safely and with consideration for others.

  • Whats all this shit about then?

  • Cyclic existence.

  • Cyclic existence.

    They who live again and again never yet hell met.

  • I don't have time to spend all day researching seatbelt studies. Of course I am.

    Feel free to try and turn me against seatbelts. I believe they were successful in Australia but if there's evidence to suggest otherwise.. lay it on.

    John Adams has written quite a few papers on this. Here's a sample one:

    http://john-adams.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/failure%20of%20seatbelt%20legislation.pdf

    (Available at http://john-adams.co.uk/?s=seat+belt.)

    There's also been a lot of debate in journals (in Injury Prevention, and public health journals, I think). It probably takes a PhD by now to have a reasonable overview of the debate.

  • Not proven. See:

    http://www.movingtargetzine.com/article/risk-compensation

    Okay, I may have made up/assumed the proven bit !

    What I was getting at is it is proven that it is better to crash in a car with a seat belt on that crash without a seat belt on. Whether the feeling of safety leads the driver to drive more recklessly is besides the point, the seatbelt still protects the driver (as thousands of crash tests evidence)

    There is still the same question of risk analysis and whether someone thinks they will crash, can they drive slower/more carefully etc,. If the law for seatbelts was removed would a number of people stop wearing them I wonder.
    I would continue to wear a seatbelt yet I don't wear a cycle helmet.

  • Whats all this shit about then?

    Balki

    VeeVee may have a point here.

    There are soe things that exist solely because they need to exist in order to allow people to talk about their existence.

    Battersea Power Station is a fine example. It has sat by the river unused for decades. No one has done anything with it nor has anyone sought to demolish it. It just sits there seemingly fulfilling no purpose. Every six months - in a cyclical manner - The Evening Standard or some other London-centric medium, produces a piece about new plans for obselete building. The plans will never come to fruition; there have been so many before that have come to nothing that it is unimaginable that any new ones ever will. The existence of the power station is justified, however, in and by these regular spurts of speculation.

    Helmet debates will never answer any question. The proof is probably in the pudding. If you crash and smash your head in a way that might have been prevented if you had been wearing a helmet, then you would be entitled to assume that on that occasion a helmet would have beena good idea. Other than that, all is speculation. Helmets do, however, provide a regularly recurring topic of heated debate. Helmet debates bring out passion and for that reason they exist.

  • why do i exist?

  • To entertain us Josh.

  • Post a reply
    • Bold
    • Italics
    • Link
    • Image
    • List
    • Quote
    • code
    • Preview
About

Remember kids... always wear a helmet. (The almighty bikeradar helmet thread)

Posted by Avatar for ThisIsRob_(RJM) @ThisIsRob_(RJM)

Actions