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2 or 3 cross on a 28 spoke wheelset?

I'm thinking 3 cross on the drive side rear, and 2 everywhere else would be best. Make sense?

2 or 3 cross on a 28 spoke wheelset?

Yes :)

Either will work, I wouldn't bother doing different patterns per side/end as the benefit is negligible. I'd definitely go 3X if the hubs are small flange, and I'd probably lean 2X with large flange hubs, especially if you're using deep rims.

Shimano hubs, shallow rims, and I hadn't really considered the extra torsional load that disc brakes would input when mixing up the lacing patterns, so 3 cross all round would make more sense.

Thanks!

Ok, thanks.

The thought of being stuck somewhere unable to fit a tyre back on does not fill me with confidence, but weighing it against the decreased liklihood of getting punctures. Going to go with the XR31T rims and at least I have the option of testing how tubeless will work for me.

Cheers

Thanks for advice!

I was thinking to give a try from 32/32 to a 28/28, with H+Son, but I hold until I understand much better what you've said "Also you need to up the spoke count, use a stiffer rim e.t.c to compensate for the loss of stiffness over using race spokes."

Also, I would love to have both wheels identical, just for a aesthetically feeling. Could be radial a choice?

I made some homework lately and just a note only - I read that D-light spokes usually are for disk brakes.
About nipples, my Specialized FSR Elite (DTSwiss wheels) and gf's 29er Specialized Jett Expert (Scout wheels), both are using red nipples. I think those are alloy. Mtbs' are getting a lot of water, dirt, shocks, crashes, etc. and I was thinking that red nipples, even alloy, will be fine for a city bike too. I didn't find any brass red nipples at the moment (I found some no name brass on Aliexpress, but I would not risk to buy from there)

The thought of being stuck somewhere unable to fit a tyre back on does not fill me with confidence

If your repair consists of fitting a tube, you'll find that even the most recalcitrant tubeless tyres will hop up onto the bead seat under the influence of a few bars of pneumatic persuasion once you have the air contained in a bag rather than making a bid for freedom through every little gap.

Commuter bikes get saltwater from the road, which can corrode alloy nipples a lot faster than clean or muddy water.

Poetic. Sort of defeats the point of tubeless if i'm just going to use a tube as soon as i get a puncture though...But then that sounds like the only way forward without carrying cannisters and super strength fingers.

Anyway, payday today so ordered the rims and the hub. Looking forward to having them built up.

Is 20/24 Archetype on low flange hubs doable for street abuse? Mavic Ellipse seem to work so why not?
I want to order the hubs soon but still wanna have the option to go for 20/24 carbon.
Spokes should be DT Comps as I built 2 wheels (32 spokes though) with them and they are bombproof.

Mavic Ellipse seem to work so why not?

Because the Ellipse rim has more radial stiffness than the Archetype, the Ellipse spokes are stouter than what you're planning to use, and the Ellipse hubs are straight-pull so there is no spoke bend to worry about. Apart from that, your analysis is flawless :)

I'm a bit confused. So I should at least go for stronger spokes if I build the wheel with Archetypes?

So I should at least go for stronger spokes if I build the wheel with Archetypes?

No, you should abandon the idea of trying to use the same hubs for "street abuse" as you want for race wheels.

Man, I really hate that I can't decide.
As for Archetypes what's the lowest spoke count you'd recommend?

As for Archetypes what's the lowest spoke count you'd recommend?

Depends on the service conditions. H+Son clearly think there are circumstances where 20 is enough, but I doubt whether they consider "street abuse" to be one of those circumstances. That's leaving aside the question of whether the Archetype is the right rim for anything these days, things have moved on since they were introduced.

I'm trying to jump over small things or try to avoid them if it helps ;)
Weren't Archetypes the first choice for nearly everything? At least that's what I catched and the reason why I'm kind of fixed on them.
I really appreciate your help, I just can't get my thoughts straight..

Weren't Archetypes the first choice for nearly everything?

They were when H+Son launched them. Since then, DT and Kinlin have launched new products which do the same things either better or cheaper or even both.

I am looking to build a new set of fair weather/racing wheels for my road bike and I would like some advice.
I am going to be racing cat 3 and all I can is sprint.

• 100kg bodyweight (hopefully by season start)
  
• aero over lightweight
  
• sub £300
  
• rim brakes
  
  

I was thinking Novatec Road Light 32h hubs on Kinlin 31t DT Rev spokes and brass nipples.
Can I get more aero/stiffness/quality for the money?

Fulcrum Racing Quattro LG

Fulcrum Racing Quattro LG

As a reply to me I guess? What makes this a better choice for me over the ones I suggested? Cheaper, better hubs, more aero or what?

What makes this a better choice

Not having to build them yourself, mainly. Likely to have better aeros, and 2:1 lacing at the back gives you the strength of a 28 spoke wheel.

Road racing is the thing factory wheels do really well, it's verging on madness to consider hand building for this application.

OK fair enough. I guess £200 makes it hard to beat. Thanks.

Can you point any model from DT and Kinlin?

What lacing do you recommend for a street bike and 28 spokes, both wheels? I have 73kg, thinking about a radial lacing.

2x

Can you point any model from DT and Kinlin?

Read back through he thread, there's plenty of discussion of newer rim models from both manufacturers

What lacing do you recommend for a street bike and 28 spokes, both wheels?

Read back through the thread less than one fucking page

I did some research (including this thread) and cherrypicked XR31T, RR 511 DB and SL25 now. Favourite is RR 511 DBs as they look best :p Also bonus points for no brake track.
I'm trying to stick to the lowest possible spoke count which is 24 for these. Just for the looks. Yes, I'm that superficial. Might go for 2x for front and rear since 24 spokes radial looks whack.
Might that work for my skinny 62kg?