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I'm planning a new wheel build well a new rim and spokes on a used hub. I will be using a DT Swiss rim and was going for DT Swiss Competition spokes and their brass nipples. However, I wish to use nipple washers and it appears that DT Swiss don't make nipple washers. Sapim do, but should I pair Sapim washers with their spokes or can I use them with DT Swiss spokes?

My intuition tells me if I'm using a DT Swiss rim I'd be best with their nipples, but I could be wrong; also with a washer the nipple itself does not contact the rim.

I was looking at the Sapim Polyax washers but will their conical surface mate with a DT Siwss nipple?

Any thoughts?

just bought some Mavic Open Pro tubular

Wow, I want whatever drugs Mavic's product naming crew are on.

It's an odd choice for cross anyway.

they're just rebranded magic reflex. i guess they're trying to rub some of the reputation for reliability from the open pro clinchers off on the not so reliable magic reflex. but still, do any sub 400g 32h tubular rims exist, or rather, exist and have a reputation for being alright?

Why do you want to pair a fairly lightweight rim with 32 spokes?

do any sub 400g 32h tubular rims exist, or rather, exist and have a reputation for being alright?

Ambrosio F20, but they are not anybody's first (or even 50^th) choice for CX

If you actually want the best CX tub wheels, you should be looking at carbon and 30-50mm deep.

they're just rebranded magic reflex

Rebranded and with a 10% weight gain compared with old Reflex :-)

What rims should I be looking at for road tubeless, rim brakes and 36 spokes? Reasonable price and good availability preferred ... and under 500g a bonus.

Any thoughts beyond Archetypes, TB14s or A23s?

(Sorry, I know I'm following up my own post.)

Don't think there are.

Archetype and Tb14 is not tubeless though?
Your only option would be the A23.
Expensive, terrible finish and made of cheese.
All the other good tubeless rims are 32H mostly.

Consensus seems to be that Archetypes and TB14s say they're not tubeless but in fact work perfectly well (and I've been running Open Pros tubeless - just want a wider rim).

Somewhat limited by a 36h SON dynamo ...

How about Rhyno Lites?
Some people seem to be running them tubeless.
Definitely a low cost option.
Claim to be 495g - take it back, heavy.

hi guys . my first wheel build has just popped a spoke after 700 miles. its the front wheel, Archetypes with sapin race spokes (24). is there any significance that it broke at the nipple end? (well impressed i could ride home (30 miles) with only minimal backing off of the brakes)

Did you brake the actual spoke or nipple?
If the spoke snapped most likely you didn't have enough thread engaged in the nipple, possibly you had some leftover spoke twist and not enough tension.

If your nipple broke, same as above. Not enough threads engaged, not enough spoke tension.
Also archetypes are known to chew nipples, mainly alloy, due to the narrow, silly v shape. Chamfering the spoke holes helps a lot.

Or bad batch of spokes

Expensive, terrible finish and made of cheese.

Care to elaborate? Most reviews of the A23 seem to say it's OK, albeit with swarf round the spoke holes. Price - well, they're much of a muchness I think. More than I'm keen to pay, but I do need a new rim.

Rhyno Lites - looks like they're 630g in 700c guise. Cheap, sure - but wider than I'd been thinking of. I'm only going to be running 28s ...

I've got them on a cruiser bike with 35mm Deltas - built up nicely but of course they're heavier than most would want.

The alloy they use is not strong or stiff.at that weight it's not a great rim.
Tons of swarf and burrs around spoke holes.
Not really round, tension is all over the shop.
Sleeve that joins the rim together is too long making the neighboring spoke beds thicker which really requires you using two longer spokes when using alloy nipples or care about your standards.
Made in USA.

Regarding reviews.lots of people rate open pros, completely disregarding the fact that price went up, quality of alloy went down and this "benchmark" road rim now only takes 100 kgf of tension on the drive side before it starts buckling. In the world of heavily dished hubs, that's not that great.unless you weight 60kg and ride on a smooth tarmac at 10km an hour

Be fair to say you're not keen on them then? Thanks for that detailed criticism.

As for Open Pros, I'm still reasonably happy with mine, apart from the price, but maybe I'm just not that discerning. (Plus all of mine are older stock anyway.)

I'm resigned to spending that sort of money now anyway.

I'm never too keen on stuff I wouldn't use myself and have bad experiences with.

What sort of bad experiences? Simply awkward to build with, or something more?

I'm in two minds about them now (had more or less made up my mind to give them a go and come to my own conclusions) - I'd steer clear, except that I do want to try a rim that's sold for tubeless use to see how it differs from one that's not.

Hmm. Archetypes are probably the next choice but I'm not that keen on the looks - I do quite like the cosmetics of open pros

apart from the price

The price reflects the fact that Mavic are basically not interested in selling bare rims any more. As long as people keep paying the asking price, they will keep making them, but there are people who actually want your business making better rims for less.

I do want to try a rim that's sold for tubeless

How about DT R460?

Not available in 36h, unless I've missed something.

Exactly the experiences I described.
It's not a lot of rim for lots of cash.
There is better and cheaper options out there.
However not tubeless and not 36h.

As for old stock open pros, they were nice rims. So were cxp33.
All the new stuff is overpriced and inferior to the old ones.
As tester said Mavic is interested in selling wheelsystems not rims. Luckily for them, shops like to sell their kit because they don't care / know better. Plus the margins are sweet :)

Not available in 36h

Change your hubs :-)

Change your hubs :-)

Anyone got a 32h SON dynamo for swaps? Long-term, that's going to be the answer, isn't it ...

(Actually, you prompted me to count the spokes on the rear wheel. I could have sworn that was 36 too, but it seems to have lost 4 since last time I checked. At least I'm not going to have the same dilemma when that OP begins to wears out.)