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Slightly annoyed at the front hub label being the wrong way round, and one of the tyre logos being slightly off too, but meh, 1st world problems.

First time using bladed spokes, so was surprised at how these built up so easily, although that's also due to rim stiffness too, definitely the stiffest rims I've built up. Me likey.

Also first time I've built anything less than 32h, but these have built up with a fair amount of tension, 145kgf on front (28h) disc side and rear (32h) drive side without even a shrug, and very pleased with how they've come out.

I don't understand why the front hub is labelled the wrong way round... Is that because of the new trend I have seen of having the disc on the right side of the fork?

Does anyone have an opinion on the Jobsworth Truing stands on PX at the moment? Pro for £99 or their TS2 knock off for £79

Drew has one of the ts2 knock offs, looks pretty damn good for the price.

Yeah, I can't remember what he said it didn't do. I'm sure they're fine, just a bit worried about being caught out on buy cheap, buy twice...

The base doesn't seem the most stable but if you have a vice to clamp it in that's not a problem.

The TS 2 knockoff seems a pretty good piece of kit for the money... just bolt it on top of a solid wood board, as you do with the park. The base should be alread fitted with holes.
The other looks like a cheap miniature version of the P&K Lie... not sure about a stand where you have to solely rely on micrometers. I do have micrometers as an add-on for the Park, but I only use them for finishing the wheel, just to make sure everything is within 0.2 mm total (+ or - 0.1 mm). For general purpose the standard caliper is a lot easier to use

Not sure the TS2 copy from Px is even square let alone the arm centred properly (not that I rely on a stand for dishing anyway)

Seems to be rebranded by several companies. Haven't approached either Px or Jobsworth about my suspicions yet. If you get one check the fore and aft alignment of the arms and the centring of the calliper arm yourself.

Be interested in your findings.

Not sure the TS2 copy from Px is even square let alone the arm centred properly (not that I rely on a stand for dishing anyway)

Seems to be rebranded by several companies. Haven't approached either Px or Jobsworth about my suspicions yet. If you get one check the fore and aft alignment of the arms and the centring of the calliper arm yourself.

Be interested in your findings.

The design is the same as the Park, if the caliper is not centred, it can be centred easily (hopefully)

The design is the same as the Park, if the caliper is not centred, it can be centred easily (hopefully)

That's what led to my suspicions about the uprights being out fore and aft. Haven't had time to confirm that yet. I'm not bothered about the calliper arm not being exactly centred as I dish with a VAR tool. But you can fettle with the calliper mounts themselves though.

If the uprights are misaligned then the wheel won't be square in the stand. Not impossible to work with but not nice either, cheapo or not.

Where do you call home?

I'm based in SE London, though can travel within reason init.

Arup Sen of this very forum (based in Forest Hill) built me some lovely bombproof wheels. Supplied my own spokes based on his calculations.

Where did you get spokes cut? That sounds pretty good.

I'm based in SE London, though can travel within reason init.

Where did you get spokes cut? That sounds pretty good.

Sounds like Arup is your closest then.
You can buy spokes of all sizes without the need to have them cut. All builders will be able to supply spokes at pretty much the same price you will pay by buying them yourself, not worth the hassle.

Ah cool.
Does anyone have a contact for him?

http://www.lfgss.com/member136.html

He was last on yesterday. Drop him a PM, or through his site: http://www.yogarup.com/wheels/contact.php

Balls. You might know about wheels, but you prove again and again that you know fuck all about aerodynamics.

You won't notice the difference, but it's well within the measurable scale either in a wind tunnel or field testing with a power Meyer.

In the haste to bang your fists on the chest and state yourself as the king of the gang, you end up contradicting yourself stating "you won't notice the difference" which was in essence my point.
If you have a figure of how much power you save by having 24 CX Ray as opposed to 24 Laser spokes that is more than decimals, then please share it, otherwise do the decent thing and don't rubbish other users for the sake of it.

What he's saying is "You won't notice it" which is probably true but that doesn't mean that over a set distance the unnoticed effects ain't making you a measurable amount faster.

I'm based in SE London, though can travel within reason initI

Where did you get spokes cut? That sounds pretty good.

I used CX Rays. As above, you can get spokes in different length.
I dropped the rims and hubs off with Arup, he measured the spoke length and I ordered from the Internet to be delivered to his house. 3 days later, collected the wheels.
Lovely guy too.

What he's saying is "You won't notice it" which is probably true but that doesn't mean that over a set distance the unnoticed effects ain't making you a measurable amount faster.

And when I say "nearly as aerodynamic" am I not saying the same thing? A small difference probably not worth bothering given the difference in price?

Depends what you want I suppose.

And when I say "nearly as aerodynamic" am I not saying the same thing?

Clutching at straws much?

Spending the extra ~£30 on the spokes in your front wheel is actually be pretty good value for money in terms of CdA change per pound spent.

don't rubbish other users for the sake of it.

I never do it for it's own sake, it's for the strangers from the future who will read these pages and who might be led astray when people disseminate misinformation. I can't catch everything, but I do what I can :-)

Love to Tester and ugosantalucia for adding resolution with high definition to my question.

I never do it for it's own sake, it's for the strangers from the future who will read these pages and who might be led astray when people disseminate misinformation. I can't catch everything, but I do what I can :-)

The problem is not what you do but the way you do it. Having had a few peeks here and there, you seem to be very keen to rubbish and insult other users. You are rude and in simple words what we call an internet bully. Maybe you are not aware of it and think that's normal, or maybe you simply don't care, as hidden behind a keyboard you are not accountable.
What you do is clearly shown in orange (to which sometimes you like to add a bit of pink, for added folklore) in this pyramid which surely you are familiar with
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg/707px-Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg.png

hidden behind a keyboard you are not accountable

Nobody who is paying attention could think of this as anything but delusional ranting.

Nobody ever calls "internet bullying" on an open forum until they are certain they have lost any argument. It is the last refuge of the desperate.

Nobody ever calls "internet bullying" on an open forum until they are certain they have lost any argument. It is the last refuge of the desperate.

Whatever pleases you, I am not here to win an argument, you are the one who needs to prove he is right at all times. I am just advising you that you might have a problem you want to deal with. In doing so, I would also encourage you to refrain from using the same language in the future when you catch a piece of misinformation from my words. It doesn't say anything good about you, whether you care or not.

I encourage everyone to be themselves, without any moderation or gregarious flicks.