Lance Armstrong... greatest doper there was or ever will be

#votecliveo

BC members would have got this email:

Personally, I believe that something more substantial needs to be communicated in the next 72 hours.

Sadly the UCI's announcement has probably delayed everything. Now they will appoint a commission of their chums.

Sadly the UCI's announcement has probably delayed everything. Now they will appoint a commission of their chums.

I immediately thought:

'external' committee. Oh, that means more buddies. Just ones who aren't currently on the UCI mgmt committee.

But we might be being deliberately suspicious and negative. It remains to be seen. In any cae, not bad news.

Curious use of words.

Press release: UCI takes decisive action in wake of Lance Armstrong affair

26.10.2012

The Management Committee of the International Cycling Union (UCI), meeting in Geneva today, decided a number of critical measures in the wake of the USADA ‘Reasoned Decision’ on Lance Armstrong. The Committee acknowledged that decisive action was needed in response to the report.

With respect to Lance Armstrong and the implications of the USADA sanctions which it endorsed on Monday 22 October, the Management Committee decided not to award victories to any other rider or upgrade other placings in any of the affected events.

The Committee decided to apply this ruling from now on to any competitive sporting results disqualified due to doping for the period from 1998 to 2005, without prejudice to the statute of limitation. The Committee also called on Armstrong and all other affected riders to return the prize money they had received.

The UCI Management Committee acknowledged that a cloud of suspicion would remain hanging over this dark period – but while this might appear harsh for those who rode clean, they would understand there was little honour to be gained in reallocating places.

Second, while the Management Committee expressed confidence that enormous strides had been made in the fight against doping since 2005, in order to ensure that UCI and cycling could move forward with the confidence of all parties, the governing body also decided to establish a fully independent external Commission to look into the various allegations made about UCI relating to the Armstrong affair.

The Committee agreed that part of the independent Commission’s remit would be to find ways to ensure that persons caught for doping were no longer able to take part in the sport, including as part of an entourage.

In the week of 5 November 2012, therefore, the Management Committee will announce which independent sports body will nominate the members of the Commission and, with the UCI Management Committee, agree appropriate terms of reference.
Following this, individual members of the independent Commission will be appointed as soon as possible with a view to their report and recommendations being published no later than 1 June 2013.

Finally, while continuing strongly to maintain the merits of UCI’s case, the Committee decided to seek to suspend the UCI legal action against journalist Paul Kimmage, pending the findings of the independent Commission. UCI President Pat McQuaid and Honorary President Hein Verbruggen who are individual parties to the case will similarly seek to put their cases on hold.

UCI President Pat McQuaid said: “As I said on Monday, UCI is determined to turn around this painful episode in the history of our sport. We will take whatever actions are deemed necessary by the independent Commission and we will put cycling back on track.
“Today, cycling is a completely different sport from what it was in the period 1998-2005. Riders are now subject to the most innovative and effective anti-doping procedures and regulations in sport. Nevertheless, we have listened to the world’s reaction to the Lance Armstrong affair and have taken these additional decisive steps in response to the grave concerns raised.”

UCI Communications Service

Photo: Press conference which was held on Monday 22 October 2012

In the real world, deferring a decision is the antithesis of decisive.

Today, cycling is a completely different sport from what it was in the period 1956-2005

ftf Hein and Pat

They keep hanging on the 2005 cut-off date and ignoring the USADA evidence that LA's suspicious blood data was not acted on in 2009-2010.

It does look as though Kimmage is about to go on the offensive against McQuaid. He has returned to Twitter and is quoting Maximus from Gladiator. Well worth a follow I would think.

Anyway, how do I get appointed to this commission? I think that I am ideally placed to ensure that the commission investigates fully and fairly and ensures the future health of cycling. Better still, how do I get Pat's job when he has to resign?

Bravo!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kittel-sick-of-armstrong-supporters

Lance has to pay back money to UCI, but UCI doesn't have to pay back money to Lance?

double standards I say

Lance has to pay back money to UCI, but UCI doesn't have to pay back money to Lance?

double standards I say

Why doesn't Lance stand up, admit everything, tell the truth, and take down Mcquaid and others if they have been involved in shenanigans?

Did Riis have to pay back his winnings?...

"I have taken doping. I have taken EPO....my jersey is at home in a cardboard box," said Riis, "They are welcome to come and get it."

Cycling's governing body said it "urges the former rider to return his yellow jersey, the symbol of his victory."

Lance has to pay back money to UCI

No, he has to pay it back to ASO. And as the UCI and ASO won't be moving other people up the result sheet, ASO will be getting a nice little windfall, but won't be paying back any of the money they made as a result of the increased popularity of their race when loads of people thought Armstrong wasn't perpetrating a massive fraud.

On a related note, one of the things UCI needs to do is make their decision on not moving people up the result sheet permanent, not cut it off at their delusional 2005 "Year Zero".

apparently a shit blizzard erupting in Italy next week?

not that I have the best sources on this though...

apparently a shit blizzard erupting in Italy next week?

That's one for the "Doping" thread, not the "Lance Armstrong... greatest asshole there was or ever will be" thread

Anyway, how do I get appointed to this commission? I think that I am ideally placed to ensure that the commission investigates fully and fairly and ensures the future health of cycling. Better still, how do I get Pat's job when he has to resign?

Come on, Clive, someone as deeply implicated in doping as you would be exactly the wrong candidate. Or how else would you explain the fact that you were able to keep up with the seniors for a full 1.3 laps in Muddy Hell in 2009? I rest my case.

Anyway, how do I get appointed to this commission? I think that I am ideally placed to ensure that the commission investigates fully and fairly and ensures the future health of cycling. Better still, how do I get Pat's job when he has to resign?

If you are serious about the former, let's chat tomorrow evening.

Let's chat.

This sounds like a conspiracy.

If you are serious about the former, let's chat tomorrow evening.

Let's chat.

1. Chat
   
   

An ecstasy tablet
"I just popped another chat"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chat&page=2

Maybe Andy and Clive are into performdance-enhancing drugs.

i'll have one please

I used "performance enhancing dregs" as my pub quiz team name this week. Came third but didn't get the team name prize. No one cares about cycling.

how do I get Pat's job when he has to resign?

I don't think you're fat enough for that.