Lance Armstrong... greatest doper there was or ever will be

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/sportingscene/2011/05/say-it-aint-so-lance-armstrong.html

Hopefully not a repost.

I watched it too. Flandis aside, I think Hamilton is a credible enough witness, I believe that there is a truth behind the various statement's he made. As I understand it he refused to testify, and was subsequently subpoenaed to give evidence in the investigation if he lies he goes to jail. He plea bargain's and gains immunity. He has nothing to gain from lying.

The evidence is confidential, he is unaccompanied so he could have said anything but he then appears on national telly to deliver the killer blow.

Hincapie is then said to have done the same thing, but denies talking to 60 minutes, incidentally how do we know who has given evidence?

Granted Hamilton is finished but at least he has come clean. If Hincapie were to appear on 60 minutes next Sunday with a similarly candid interview. I would believe the tide is turning but without a confession its all heresay.

The teflon don is still in charge.

You had most of the letters already.

I watched it too. Flandis aside, I think Hamilton is a credible enough witness, I believe that there is a truth behind the various statement's he made. As I understand it he refused to testify, and was subsequently subpoenaed to give evidence in the investigation if he lies he goes to jail. He plea bargain's and gains immunity. He has nothing to gain from lying.

The evidence is confidential, he is unaccompanied so he could have said anything but he then appears on national telly to deliver the killer blow.

Hincapie is then said to have done the same thing, but denies talking to 60 minutes, incidentally how do we know who has given evidence?

Granted Hamilton is finished but at least he has come clean. If Hincapie were to appear on 60 minutes next Sunday with a similarly candid interview. I would believe the tide is turning but without a confession its all heresay.

The teflon don is still in charge.

Apostrophe fail.

Hincapie is then said to have done the same thing, but denies talking to 60 minutes, incidentally how do we know who has given evidence?

I'd imagine the FDA would of been all over someone like Jonathan Vaughters for a testomoney, he seems to be keeping very quiet about it at the moment.

The clue is in the web address.

http://www.armstrongpumps.com/

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/verbruggen-says-armstrong-never-never-never-doped

Ah, good to know that the allegations are all fabricated and that Verbruggen stayed so close to Armstrong that he can say with certainty that he never, ever doped. That's OK, then.

Wow, you want to see what a liar sounds like, there you go.

Hein and Lance tried to buy the TDF in 2008 from ASO, and they apparently are currently business partners in a hotel somewhere. Which is incredible.

http://twitter.com/#!/festinagirl/status/73002305426952192

http://twitter.com/#!/festinagirl/status/73003066923827200

I know this is off topic, but slightly on topic, but:
HGH, Lionel Messi.

How is that ok?

Apostrophe fail.

Damn you.....damn you to hell.

I'm not sure I care if Lance did EPO back in the early nineties, surely his legacy of achievements both on and off the bike supercedes something a decade ago?

Well, as long as you've given it some thought.

I'm not sure I care if Lance did EPO back in the early nineties, surely his legacy of achievements both on and off the bike supercedes something a decade ago?

no

I know this is off topic, but slightly on topic, but:
HGH, Lionel Messi.

How is that ok?

He plays for Barcelona and so is exempt.

Armstrong didn't ride in a vacuum, everyone else doped in that era and so did he - end of

It's too late now for to admit it, has denied it too much, he'll go to his grave a lier

he'll go to his grave a lier

Won't we all, unless we belong to that weird sect which gets buried standing up?

lier;n.
"one who reclines"

Armstrong didn't ride in a vacuum, everyone else doped in that era and so did he - end of

It's too late now for to admit it, has denied it too much, he'll go to his grave a lier

Agreed. Stop wasting time and money chasing shadows and let sleeping dogs lie..

The biggest issue for me is that if we are to attempt to move away from systemic doping across professional cycling then any incentive to dope should be minimised

Do nothing and there's a huge financial and professional incentive to dope - look, I can get away with it and wind 7 TDF's and make a pot of cash and gain huge international profile

If Armstrong is convicted and his titles stripped of him then that's a massive incentive not to dope - My actions can come back and bite me on the arse and however clever I am with masking agents or micro dosing then there is the potential that tests will be developed down the line that will expose that

I really can't see how and monies raised by Armstrong for his good causes absolves him from any guilt or testing

Lots of others doped in that period. We know that. On the whole they have admitted it. Armstrong's dishonesty is the worst thing about hhim and will ultimately be the undoing of him.

This investigation is not actually about doping; it's about fraud, tax avoidance and drug trafficking. Whether anyone took any of the drugs isn't actually relevant.

He claims to be the most tested sportsman in history with no conclusive positive results...if he did dope back in 2000 do we then say that all his TDF wins are void on the basis that he lied? The length of time that he has protested his innocence has backed himself into a corner a bit though

^I'd go back and read the last 3 or 4 pages of the thread, to get up to speed.

I know its been said up-thread but it seems people are forgetting the good Lance has actually done.

I mean FFS, he cured cancer! They should be giving him a NOBEL

don't forget the money!