Tour de France 2012

wonder if Nibali is impressed yet

He was talking about Wiggins' climbing.

I wonder what he thinks of Basso's then?

He was talking about Wiggins' climbing.

Besides, I think Nibali did quite well today given that he is by no means a time trial specialist. Oh, and of course he hasn't read Team Sky's revolutionary bike training guide yet.

He's open to a bit of stick whatever he was talking about. Glad he did quite well today, doing quite well often wins you grand tours

They need to publish their biological data in detail and soon because these results aren't credible right now. If Froome was from eastern Europe we would be laughing our heads off.

i cant help but agree with you on this despite my defence of Froome yesterday. Smashing Cancellara like that was madness. Though tbf van Garderen rode seriously and unexpectedly fast too.
I also fully recognise that I know shit all about this and he could be clean and just a brilliant GC man who will be a serious threat to grand tour podiums for the next few years.

why are people so bloody suspicious? cant you just presume he is an immense cyclist who has trained really hard, and worry about doping if any evidence is actually brought to light?

Like Lance Armstrong?

Wiggins posted his blood values from the 2009 Tour, and was widely accused of doping by armchair cunts, ahem, experts, back then. I don't see what he benefit he would get from doing it now, bar more armchair expert haemotoligists pointing out how he's clearly doping.

AS: Were you able to look at other values from the Tour?

JM: I've only seen Bradley Wiggins' values.

AS: Some have said that Wiggins' values are also suspicious. Do you agree with that?

JM: He hasn't published as many values, but his values are not following a pattern that you would expect from a physiological point of view.

-

i cant help but agree with you on this despite my defence of Froome yesterday. Smashing Cancellara like that was madness. Though tbf van Garderen rode seriously and unexpectedly fast too

Van Garderen is a serious talent.

Doping thread >>>>>>>>>>>

yeah we need one: the conversation is cyclical (no pun intended), everytime a Sky rider rides well the same suspicions and innuendo is rolled out. We know what you think, can we just watch the race now please?

Wiggins posted his blood values from the 2009 Tour, and was widely accused of doping by armchair cunts, ahem, experts, back then. I don't see what he benefit he would get from doing it now, bar more armchair expert haematologists pointing out how he's clearly doping.

He wants to finally decide the war of mods versus rockers and is completely unscrupulous in his methods.

Ok, I will just put my hands over my ears and sing tra-la-la-la for the remainder of the tour.

^^ +1

Let's hope Millar can find some form in the next couple of weeks to justify his controversial slot in the British Olympic team....36th at 4:14 in his specialist discipline.

Ok, I will just put my hands over my ears and sing tra-la-la-la for the remainder of the tour.

Honestly you have made your point, I understand the arguments and I can see where you're coming from. However I require more substantial proof than assumption and amateur (no offense) analysis of results and performance. Until then I just to be able to enjoy Sky's performances without feeling anxiety over the newest round of accusations they will bring.

I won't mention it again.

Winston - I don't see the issue regarding Millar. He will do a job with his experience in the road race.

Wiggo's elliptical chainring!

has anyone ever ridden on one?

I used to ride an old red, yellow and orange MBK Mountain Bike back in the late 90's...

I used biopace ones on my tribike once, made no difference to my bike time. They are much more subtle than brads one.

I've ridden with the Rotor version (setup for someone else – which matters). It did feel different when sitting back, dipping your heels and spinnin up climbs.

The shape decreases the gear through the deadspot. Not like Biopace which does the opposite.

It just seemed a very good TT for someone I didn't associate with that discipline.

He is great at hilly TTs like this year's Dauphine. I even mentioned it here! tssst.

I'm fully willing to believe that Wiggins and Sky are clean. I think they've got a great strategy so far, they've trained perfectly and they have shitloads of money behind them, which in most sports will give more than marginal gains.

equally, this is pro cycling we're talking about, ruled for years by vampires and pharmacologists. pessimists are never disappointed!

I won't mention it again.

Winston - I don't see the issue regarding Millar. He will do a job with his experience in the road race.

It's hard to be a team captain from the back, may as well be in the car.......

Glad he did quite well today, doing quite well often wins you grand tours

...as witnessed by 2010 Vuelta.

why are people so bloody suspicious? cant you just presume he is an immense cyclist who has trained really hard, and has the best technological assistance available to him and worry about doping if any evidence is actually brought to light?

ftfy

Sorry.. Prolly missed it but was Wiggins wearing a special Adidas/Le Coq Sky skinsuit today?

According to Eurosport he was.

Yeah I believe so. Surprise surprise ITV got it wrong saying Wiggins was wearing a skinsuit made by "the tour organisers" that was "much slower" than Froomey's "specially made, ultra fast suit, which could make all the difference today".

Piss poor commentary.

Piss poor commentary.

whilst on LFGSS............

just got spooked out by the itv website.

at the end of the tour highlights a commercial came on for ''tour de francis''

my first thought was maybe its a kind of spam thing that used/took my surname and managed to print it on the jersey. as i recount this it i realise how far fetched and crazy a notion it was.

sorry.

whilst on LFGSS............

Touché