Stripped hub - feck!

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  • I was told once that the splines on the carrier can develop a bit of play after substantial use - true?

    Mine didn't get anywhere near substantial use so can't comment.. except I just did.. to say I can't comment like..

  • Maybe I got a duff one, I swapped it out ASAP... I could feel it engage when I pushed off on it... Nice idea but crap tolerances... Poor quality IME...

  • My lockring doesn't lock! I thought I had a stripped thread but on a closer inspection all seems to be fine. everytime I "do a skid" (when some punter yells at me) I end up turning my fixie into a freewheeler. I just can't seem to work out what is going on.

    [I have even tried threadlock - much to the disgust o many on this forum I imagine]

    Thing is I am riding a friend's charge plug whilst he is on holiday to see if I like the whole ss thing - after a week or two I flipped to fg and haven't looked back. I don't want to replace the hub as he rides free wheel and I'll be getting my own bike in a month or so. (What's the best otp for c.£400? - just jokes)

    Any suggestions on how to get the lock ring to lock would be great.
    cheers

  • Sounds like you are unwinding the cog. The cog isn't tight enough possibly knocking the lockring off, which probably also isn't on properly.

    TIGHTEN the cog

  • and don't forget that the lockring has a reverse thread - anticlockwise to tighten...

  • cheers guys - rode up highgate hill on the w/e. thought that would tighten the cog. and then went all out with a lock ring wrench, in the other direction.

    is it possible just to have a dodgey lockring/hub where the threads look fine but are just a bit cheap and nasty?

    also, I am a big guy - 6'5" prob about 90kg. a guy in a bike shop said that my weight against the lock ring could be simply too much... if that is the case guess I'll have to get me an electric kebab knife/cutter and start shaving off a few extra kilos!

  • I was told once that the splines on the carrier can develop a bit of play after substantial use - true?

    judging by my 18t i'd say thats a fucking huge YES. it has huge amounts of play, and it's not the lockring or the hub threads.

  • dirtyD, which bike shop told you that? sounds like a heap o' bollocks to me.

  • dirtyD, which bike shop told you that? sounds like a heap o' bollocks to me.

    mosquito - but to their defence I did say that I wasn't sure if the thread was stripped. been in the shop a couple of times as it is just round the corner, but can't vouch for/against service

  • I am a big guy - 6'5" prob about 90kg . a guy in a bike shop said that my weight against the lock ring could be simply too much...

    total and utter bollocks! I'm 6'2" and 110kg-ish and have had no problems on a formula cheese lockring.

  • Sorry to necro post but I could do with some advice on a similar issue and I could do with it before my 24hr nursery period is up!

    Finally joined the fixed club about 4 weeks ago with a nice new Charge Plug from Evans Manchester. Once I got the SPD's on I moved over to fixed and have been loving it. I've been giving it a bit of hammer and yes, being a big kid and pulling some fairly hefty skids. Today I went out for a ride and had to stop quickly from a reasonable pace, no drama but I did have to give it a good kickback. When I set off my back wheel slipped, I thought nothing of it as there is that much crap on the road I gueesed it was just chip wrappers or something. About 4 miles later coming to a set of lights I started leg braking (not a skid!!) and... well I just did not stop! Fortunately I've kept my brakes on and managed to grab a handfull before shooting into oncoming traffic.

    The lock ring and cog were fully off, fortunately the cog was just spinning round the hub body and the chain didn't fowl up. Looking at the hub body what was my thread (for the lock ring) was now looking like a stretched slinky spring, bits dangling off it like it had just been machined on a lathe. The thread on the cog looks fine and the cog thread on the hub body looks OK. I've taken the bike back to Evans (boy did it feel strange in freewheel mode!!) and the head mechanic is due to take a look at it tomorrow morning when he gets in. There is a little bit of thread left, but I just would not trust it now with a lock ring. My fear is that they will try fobbing me off with a new lockring. This is a ~1 month old bike and the hub and cog are stock, I've not done anything with them other than give them a wipe down when I clean the chain.

    Would you trust this hub? I'm sorry I've got no photos so show but having pulled off the loose metal I'd say the remaining thread is ~1/3 the depth of what was there originally. Have I done anything wrong? I know when you fit them you need to tighten them but as this was new and all stock I'd not done anything. Would you be concerned that there was no sign of any greese or thread compound on the hub? I'd have assumed that they would be built using something but it just looks like raw alloy on steel.

    I've got to speak to the shop tomorrow once they have had a look, my preference would be a new hub but I would be interested in hearing what you guys think. I'm I just beeing an over sensitive noob who should get out the araldite and HTFU?

    Suddenly Level starts to make sense to me...

  • Hard to say without seeing it, but I'd be very wary about riding with stripped lockring threads.

    Some people use loctite on the threads but I've never done so... Been advised recently by some learned forumengers that grease is the way to go, and tighten the buggery out of it.

  • You should definitely try to crunch them for a new wheel.

  • Thanks for the reply, really you've just confirmed my suspicions. It would have to happen in the middle of Didsbury, in front of a reasonable sized group of good lookin' girls and on the best day we've had in months :-(

    I'd been thinking that in a couple of months I'd get the hub re-built onto a nicer rim up at Wills Wheels (next best thing to Rick Green round this way!) but now I'm wondering about doing the full monty and getting a nice hub too. The formula ones on the Plug have been running fine for me but it they strip this easily I'm never going to have much faith. Maybe I need to invest in a lock ring tool and keep an eye on the tension?? I don't hear other people bothering though..

    I'll have to see what the mechnic says. I'm just hoping they say it's fubar now as it removes the debate and they can just throw me a wheel from a display plug whilst they do the waranty thing with Charge. What I don't want is the we'll have to order a hub and rebuild using the same rim scenario as that means no bike for a couple of days. If they have to order a new wheel then at least I can ride in frewheel to get about on.

    The nightmare is that I go back tomorrow and they have just brushed the threads off and put the old bits back on... that would be tantrum time!!

  • Just glad I'm old enough not to follow fashion and remove the brakes...

    SPD -> flintstone != good thing to be doing in a hurry!!

  • Buy a chain whip and lockring spanner. Also purchase King Island triple cream brie. It is very nice.

  • King now does Brie? My god, I thought that his headsets were tasty!!

  • Buy a chain whip and lockring spanner. Also purchase King Island triple cream brie. It is very nice.

    the madness comes and goes doesn't it?

  • Yes, but does it come pan fried with a nice red current sauce?

  • No, it is only served with hot dogs from a jar and ants.

  • Good new - Those nice folk at Hotwheels have advised Evans that they will send out a new wheel under waranty. Looks like I'll be good to go in a couple of days :-) They've not mentioned the lockring but Evans advise they'll spam me up with something if one is not supplied, they suspect it will be the whole wheel including cog and ring.

    Having had a good search through the forums (yup I might have necro posted but I DO search!!) I'll probably stump up for a decent lock ring and chain / lockring tool this week. The new Dura-Ace trackie tool on hubjub looks like a reasonable bit of kit althogh the Pedro's Trixie Tool ( http://www.velosolo.co.uk/shoptool.html** ) **looks interesting as I could use the box spanner and chain whips aint that expensive. Lock ring wise I was looking at a Dura-Ace unless anybody can put forward a good case for spending more on something better.

  • 99% of hub failures are down to improper installation good chain wip and / or rotafix then lock ringwill sort it out.

  • ^DA is prob the toughest lockring out there and lightweight too.

    Phil Wood look nice and are machined beautifully but are softer (I've buggered a couple of notches on mine) and won't fit a Charge hub anyhoo.

    If you were in London I'd recommend the Condor own brand lock rings which have more threads (fatter so more thread length in contact with hub shell which Phil Wood argue at length is less likely to strip so better on a cheaper hub?) than DA and only £4.99 (possibly Andel rebranded?)

  • Given that I want a couple of bits from them I might just go DA from HubJob and get the DA trackie tool and a cracker at the same time. I'm sure it would also turn me into an instant fixie god having something with NJS stamped on it, calf tat here I come ;-)

    This https://www.tokyofixedgear.com/products.asp?l1=PART&l2=LOCR Surly looks like the Andel (Surly = Re-branded Andel for the cogs right??) and I can see the extra depth argument so I might be tempted but that would lean me more towards the Predros or maybe the Hozan tool, it looks suitably solid.

    Do condor not do mail order? The price is right!

  • Just give Condor a call they probabaly would post but are moving shops and closing for a while soon i believe.

    They are these version

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