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I don't generally find the other English bikes ugly but there's usually at least one detail that makes you ask "why??" and that sort of distraction is usually enough to keep it out of porn (for my liking.)
Really?
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I am just not sure why anyone would choose to have a TT bike made out of steel. If you really wanted to be fast as possible, you'd just get a Shiv/P5/etcetc
The amount Rob is losing on his new TT bike compared with a carbon superbike is pretty small, probable under 5W*. Meanwhile, he gets to go out and play on a rolling billboard for his business. Of course, I can't see why anybody else would get him to built their TT bike, but for him to roll around on a demonstration of the scope of his abilities makes perfect sense.
*And it looks like he has enough in hand to give away twice that
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Of course, I can't see why anybody else would get him to built their TT bike, but for him to roll around on a demonstration of the scope of his abilities makes perfect sense.
Yeah, the former of your statements is what I was getting at, I don't dispute that it makes perfect sense for him to compete on his own builds.
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As Tester said a few pages ago, his builds just make no sense. I am just not sure why anyone would choose to have a TT bike made out of steel. If you really wanted to be fast as possible, you'd just get a Shiv/P5/etcetc
The amount Rob is losing on his new TT bike compared with a carbon superbike is pretty small, probable under 5W*. Meanwhile, he gets to go out and play on a rolling billboard for his business.
Of course, I can't see why anybody else would get him to built their TT bike, but for him to roll around on a demonstration of the scope of his abilities makes perfect sense.
People (like me and Rob and a lot of others) just have a bigger smile on our face, when we ride our steel bike instead of a carbon bike.
When your drafting behind other riders, the frame materiel makes almost no difference.
When your alone against the wind, there is a little difference, but not as big a difference as between smiling about the steel frame and feeling nothing about a carbon frame.
If you like steel frames and find a cool one, its probably 25-30 years old, and it will still be cool in 30 years. How many years would you ride a carbon frame?
Not to mention loss of value on carbon frames….
In my opinion Robs blue/white TT frame is the coolest TT frame I have ever seen.
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i would be very happy with the blue and white English in the stable but if it were being built for me I would have that seat stay and down tube parallel and i would have the change from blue to white on the top tube at the point where the seat stay would intersect the top tube if it where extended that far.
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People (like me and Rob and a lot of others) just have a bigger smile on our face, when we ride our steel bike instead of a carbon bike.
Do you know Rob? He's pretty competitive, if he though he needed a carbon TT bike to keep winning I'm sure he'd get one. Also, if you're smiling during a 25 mile (40km for Rob, oddly given the 'merkins general refusal to use SI units generally) TT, you're doing it wrong.
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I don´t know him at all. But by looking at his steel creations, I´m pretty sure he has big love for steel.
And from what you´re saying, I can se that we pretty much agree on that the difference in performance between steel and carbon is not worth mentioning here.
That said, I ride a cheap old steel frame amongst riders who ride 3-6k £ carbon monsters. And I always finish in the top 20 %. I´ve always been the one with "shittier equipment" and better performances than the rest of the guys in the club. The reason for that is, that it´s about commitment with training rather than level of equipment.
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If everything made sense and we all rode the best performing bikes for each individual discipline, we would all be striving to ride the latest pro bikes. There would be no modern steel and very little alloy or ti, there would be no HHSB, nobody would keep a vintage frame. There would only be functional bikes.
The World would be a poorer place and there would be no more is it/isn't it porn for us to argue about.
I prefer this World with its budget limitations, petty differences and the ability to build a fucking ugly bike if you so wish!
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If everything made sense and we all rode the best performing bikes for each individual discipline, we would all be striving to ride the latest pro bikes. There would be no modern steel
That's not necessarily true. Carbon fibre is attractive because it can be made almost as stiff as steel at about 1/4 of the density. That 'almost' could be important on a TT bike, if the UCI regulations were relaxed to permit main frame tubes narrower than 25mm. Rob's bike is just 19mm wide. It weighs a ton, which doesn't really matter for a flat TT course, and it's probably not optimally shaped due to budget constraints in forming the tubes. If the width and 'aspect ratio' limits were dropped, there might be more interest in steel for applications where minimising frontal area was desirable above all else.
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Really?
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At least he's not afraid of trying.
Who knows if the next development will come from a small, flexible builder or a multinational corporation. How's your fixed gear bike these days? ehem.
I find many of the English bikes (particularly his own) totally fascinating. They are steel because that's the material he can experiment and create unique items with – that's all.
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really liking the yellow pinarello!
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little fish by suzy j
Love this. I want stainless lugs! I'm a particular sucker for work-in-progress shiny lug porn.
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