Bike porn

You and me both.

Hell, I'd settle for a kit, socks and a sticker.

Can someone explain the Mudfoot thing to me? I'd never heard or seen a thing about them, then Prolly posts some kit which to me looks not particularly nice and certainly no different to the hundreds of other amateur/shop/club/hipster kit that he and everyone else post about daily and all of a sudden everyone is going nuts to try and get their hands on it.

Who are they, why are they held in such regard and why is their kit in such demand?

This is mostly wheel porn, and whilst the bikes are gorgeous the gold paint job isn't showing that off.

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Sorry I'm a bit late to the party on this one. That is so shit. It might work well and probably does on a bike but as an engineering solution that is shocking. Why put all that load through the seat stays and seat stay joint?? Stick with a collar. Move the fancy butting up a bit if you have to make room but stay away from the bastard stays for christ sake..

Can someone explain the Mudfoot thing to me? I'd never heard or seen a thing about them, then Prolly posts some kit which to me looks not particularly nice and certainly no different to the hundreds of other amateur/shop/club/hipster kit that he and everyone else post about daily and all of a sudden everyone is going nuts to try and get their hands on it.

Who are they, why are they held in such regard and why is their kit in such demand?

you just answered yourself - Prolly posted it.

Regarding the engineering debate above on the seat clamp...

Shocking in terms of engineering, really?

You go say that to Tom Ritchey and Chas Roberts!

Tom Ritchey, Chas Roberts? who are they?? ;-)

^ That junction isn't so bad. At least the clamping bolts are right at the top of the seat stays. I'd like to see a pic from the rear (!) On the other frame the clamping bolt position is further down the seat stays. Unnecessary cantilevering forces on the seat stays. I think that is what bugs me.

We discussed that Feather seat stay / clamp a while back. The stays are plugged with stainless steel and the left hand one is internally threaded to take the bolt (i.e., it doesn't protrude through, you can't see the bolt from the NDS). So it's a bit stronger than it looks. You wouldn't do it anything like that if you wanted to make life easy for yourself but I do like the way it looks.

Ricky does some seat junctions that are definitely less than ideal from an engineering point of view. Like this one:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Vh-8POeKBYY/TXUXySYzEAI/AAAAAAAAArE/xOXvQx65eJ4/s400/FEATHER%2BCYCLES%2BMARCH%2B5TH%2B2011%2B3667.jpg

Which just looks like a stress riser to me.

(That bike is dead now incidentally, owner drove into a garage with it on the roof rack.)

Sound like he should've lowered his saddle.

Tom Ritchey, Chas Roberts? who are they?? ;-)

^ That junction isn't so bad. At least the clamping bolts are right at the top of the seat stays. I'd like to see a pic from the rear (!) On the other frame the clamping bolt position is further down the seat stays. Unnecessary cantilevering forces on the seat stays. I think that is what bugs me.

tell that to panasonic frame builders.
and cinelli laser.

It's not as though that's a unique way to bind the seat post.
Cinelli used a bolt that passed through the seat stays on their frames from at least the 60s.
Looking for an image I found this page;
http://www.paulscyclery.com/shopnotes/notes/november_04.html
Which has a 70s Bruce Gordon and an Edwardian Iver Johnson with the same thing going on. Looks as though both frames have lasted.
My objection to the Feather is that it's ugly, overblown unsubtle.
Beauty being in the eye ...,.,

Not porn.

might be a repost, but i think it's worth the risk..

moar= http://www.flickr.com/photos/72881285@N03/sets/
the guy has some incredible bikes..

dat wishbone

dat whole set up

normally hate WU forks, but sort of work there

Regarding the engineering debate above on the seat clamp...

Shocking in terms of engineering, really?

You go say that to Tom Ritchey and Chas Roberts!

Just because lots of people, even famous ones, make the same mistake, it doesn't suddenly change the laws of physics to suit. There's lots of terrible engineering in bicycles, from new NAHBS-wank form-over-function stuff to ancient conventions which never get changed because they kind of work and there is a huge inertia opposing reform (j-bend spokes, screw-on sprockets)

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-MJHPMF90E-A/T0ZZTBqb2FI/AAAAAAAAGQE/MrLIFbjI97M/s0/IMG_2234.jpg

http://www.eroicacicli.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/IMG_2328-690x458.jpg

I have a basso like this, the later ASTRA model made of el nivacrom rather than slx. It is stiff and light and I never had any problems tightening my seat post bolt. I like the fact that there are many varied solutions to this particular problem. Any difference in performance is entirely negligable to an amateur such as myself. The unfinished cluster posted above is much nicer than the NAHBS thing, I agree.

Afterthought- the seatpost bolt threads on the beautiful wishbone stayed bike above kind of stick out a little abruptly. I think there is good reason to integrate stays and bolt so less brazing is required, it's cleaner and more economical with materials, which while not really a practical necessity is satisfying. As a carpenter I always look for ways to minimize joins and use fewer separate bits.

Do the milanofixed guys read this forum?
http://www.milanofixed.com/tempi-duri/

I have a basso like this, the later ASTRA model made of el nivacrom rather than slx. It is stiff and light and I never had any problems tightening my seat post bolt. I like the fact that there are many varied solutions to this particular problem. Any difference in performance is entirely negligable to an amateur such as myself.

Kind of the point, really, it can function perfectly well for its entire working life without being optimal from a purely design/engineering point of view. The tolerance in the build & manufacture is probably more important. The seat clamp lug on my Bob Jackson is appalling (and requires far too much torque on the bolt) despite being a nice 'sensible', conventional design.

Can someone explain the Mudfoot thing to me? I'd never heard or seen a thing about them, then Prolly posts some kit which to me looks not particularly nice and certainly no different to the hundreds of other amateur/shop/club/hipster kit that he and everyone else post about daily and all of a sudden everyone is going nuts to try and get their hands on it.

Who are they, why are they held in such regard and why is their kit in such demand?

First read about them 18months or so ago on this blog:
http://www.solitaryarts.com/blogs/whats-new/1146142-solitary-arts-is-proud-to-sponsor-the-mudfoot-cyclocross-team?page=19

Fucking Mudfoot and their awesome font and jerseys that cost $700

Great input from some middle aged helmets up there ^ haven't you got some audaxes to do or something?

I actually really like the TFG kit and the Van Dapper jersey.

I've wanted the Mudfoot kit for ages but I'm pretty sure it cannot be gotten. here for more

Didnt realise Prolly had posted about them.
It's a bunch of hipsters/designers - who ride awesome bikes and awesome kit, but who have never sold it. They have a fifth of the likes Berk composites has, so they cant be that well known...

Oh yeah, and the Mudfoot stuff was designed by Geoff McFetridge.

That's enough for me.

More fastback seat stay awesomeness.

56cm Samson by sashae, on Flickr

was so excited when i picked this up... now passed on to my brother who just recently converted to ride fixed

http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/8156330/