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nah brah, caad 10 stays, i was just trolling :P love carbon/steel/alu if its well made

Sorry, i meant Steel and CF

still have a Trek hybrid Alpha Aluminum frame collecting dust ATM

nothing wrong with it, just feels lifeless

Apples and Oranges Right

How many times do I need to see that fucking shit 'glass' bike

Exactly. FFS

Sky pinnas looking great this year. The shimano rims looks lovely.

Are they still HED rims with Shimano labels on?

Looks like it

Ha, didn't know they did that.
Those HEDs look good then.

Reynolds dies are highly customizable and depending on tubing shapes / sizes there was the ability to fine tune the stiffness / ride quality to a higher degree than a carbon frame

I kind of doubt this.

That's much more restrained than what I was going to say, which is that the marketing claim about the 953 Genesis which Rouleur uncritically reprinted is total fucking bullshit. As much as I'd love a 953 bike, even Reynolds has very limited room for manoeuvre compared with carbon builders, or even the best aluminium builders who are now using techniques like super-plastic forming. Reynolds can only change the wall thickness over the whole circumference of the tube, and they are quite restricted by material properties in what shapes and sizes of tubing they can make. They also have an anisotropic material in their hands. A carbon frame designer, on the contrary, has a high degree of freedom to select the number of plies, their direction, and their composition, and can vary this not only along the length of a tube but also around the circumference. They also have almost no physical constraints on the rate of change of any parameter in any direction.

Now, it turns out that a conventional cycle frame can be made very well from constant circular section metal tubes with simple double butting, as has been amply proven for many decades, but they should stick to claims which stand up to examination. How about:

Steel is still good enough to race on at Elite level, because 953

What they were saying might be BS..... Think they also said that there was the opportunity to make one - ride it, make one - ride it until they've got a frame that's just so. All over a much shorter time-span than carbon. Now this to me sounds about right if your talking about a mass produced carbon frame, but I couldn't say if its the case with your super high end (cervello / BMC's) that are produced in house?

they also said that there was the opportunity to make one - ride it, make one - ride it until they've got a frame that's just so

This much is true, it's much faster to do a trial-and-error development with steel tubes welded together than it is with carbon.

Cervelo's California frames spent a lot of time in the computer before they committed the tens of thousands of dollars to making a mould for the external shape. Once they're committed to the outline, though, they can tweak the layup with very little manufacturing cost.

downtube needs a shave anyway

Sky pinnas looking great this year. The shimano rims looks lovely.

+1

Do really want those wheels

So nice.

^ i hate the pinarello curved forks and etc.

i love those shimano wheels

It's funny what some wins can do for a bike.

I still think the frameset is a mess.

Have they managed to make them so the seatposts fit yet?

(awaits the wrath of pina' riders everywhere)

Yeah, they've got a nice enough build kit and paint job, but you can only go so far to cover up how ugly the frame itself is.

I've always liked the frame and forks.

they have always made me think of a carbon hetchins, so marketing bollocks

Are they still HED rims with Shimano labels on?

What i've read on cycling news suggests that they used rims branded as "PROtotype" last year and are now branded shimano. I figured that meant that they were developed by pro/shimano rather than hed. Maybe your right though and they are all just rebadged hed rims

Most of the SKY wheels are rebadged HED .. I did read somewhere Shimano were / are trying to develop proper aero wheels but I guess while they're is no marginal gain SKY will keep using HED despite sponsorship.

They're not the only team though .. Look at Rabobank and BMC team time trial wheels last year during the TDF, both where on Stinger Disc .. BMC rebadged as Easton. Rabobank went unlabelled

Rabobank went unlabelled

Trufax

BMC rebadged as Easton.

Wasn't that because Easton don't make a disc wheel?