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Doesn't make them good though does it?
I'm a Liverpool fan & every time there's a corner or free kick heading towards our box I get worried because Skrtel is ALWAYS pulling/holding someone, more than any other defender I've seen. He'll get pulled up on it eventually & you know it'll be when we really need the win & the penalty scored will make the difference.
I'll have to believe you on Allen, he has an uncanny trick of becoming invisible once he steps over that white line...