Epic win

I really will shut up soon. We do pretty much agree I am sure.

I'm sure we do agree on the fundamental principle that equality is good, but you have basically remained entrenched in your "common sense" position of feminism = equality (absolutely and completely equivalent) and therefore anyone who isn't a feminist (and by implication anyone who denies being a feminist because they don't subscribe to your definition) is a fucktard scumbag.

But despite not calling myself [a feminist], and not wanting to be called one I believe in equality of women therefore I am one. ** I am a feminist, as is every single decent person on this planet**, just not in the same way that women who are actively fighting the fight day in day out are, and not in such a way that I feel it right to go around proclaiming that I am.

^ like that. Textbook question begging. The weird thing is that you already accept that there are different types of feminist (active, implicit etc.) and you also point out that equality for women necessarily implies equality for men (since you can't have one group being more equal than the other). So why not just use "egalitarian" to describe everyone who subscribes to the principle of equality and "feminist" to describe that those who believe that improving women's rights is the most important thing to do right now to achieve that equality (and more specifically those that are actively engaged in that struggle)? That way you don't risk alienating people by trying to hijack their support for a broad principle (equality) as support for a specific movement (feminism).

Anyway, I'm repeating myself here so I'm going to knock this on the head and let this thread get back to the win.