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@Butchers_dog
I don´t know him at all. But by looking at his steel creations, I´m pretty sure he has big love for steel.
And from what you´re saying, I can se that we pretty much agree on that the difference in performance between steel and carbon is not worth mentioning here.
That said, I ride a cheap old steel frame amongst riders who ride 3-6k £ carbon monsters. And I always finish in the top 20 %. I´ve always been the one with "shittier equipment" and better performances than the rest of the guys in the club. The reason for that is, that it´s about commitment with training rather than level of equipment.