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On a similar theme...
I bought some winter tights last week and they're the first thing from Rapha that I don't get on with. They don't come with a pad and the material used in the area where the pad should be is much slicker than the rest of the item.
On the two occasions i've used them so far, i've been slipping all over my saddle. It's caused arm and lower back ache on the longer of the two rides as I was constantly adjusting my position.
I'll try them for another week then send them back if there's no improvement.
Rapha; why u no make tights with pad in?!