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  • They're as bad as each other, he's only admitted anything because it keeps his employer happy and he knows he's gotten away with it. As Chicken has pointed the finger, but the statute of limitations applies, all he has to do is "yeah, it's a fair cop guv, I'm a changed man, learnt the error of my ways"...

    This 1000%. Sorry Andy but Ryder has earnt a living from cheating, he's in the position he is because he cheated and cost other, clean riders their career in the process. He won the Giro last year and we all applauded and liked the fact a clean rider had won it and now I'm not sure anymore. I think Garmin is a well run team, but I also think Ryder may have been up to something not sanctioned by Vaughters.

    I read somewhere the last team JV rode for he was told not to dope, He did it anyway. How real is Garmin as a clean team, and how much is PR?

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