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Hmm, phils do weigh a tonne though... Thanks for the heads up though, for Phil that is a bargain.
Been looking at mack as well for light weight (shiny) hubs.
Will have to get in touch with hubjub, if they stock the new A23s (tubeless ready) that sounds fantastic. if not I'll still probably buy either the old A23s or shiny Archetypes from them.
If im sensible and decide to go cheap but reliable with Novatec, where the fuck do you get them from? Struggling to find anything but road hubs from uk shops?