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I've no problem with going 2nd hand at all I think my requirements are that it's cheap, I can match my position, it has horizontal drop outs (so I don't have to faff with magic gear or eccentric hub/bb) and that it runs 700c front and back.
The problem with older frames is that it's hard to find geometry info, so most of my searching so far has been restricted to modern models whose geometry charts are readily available.