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@MechaMorgan
I've never had a problem with them loosening, I don't care about my paint and my tubes are rounded in profile, which probably doesn't help with zip-ties slipping. SO I guess we're both right, and have selected the products that work best for us.
That was almost going to be a reasonable debate about the pros and cons of bottle cage attachment until you got brakes involved. We all know brakes are DEATH, especially with the increased milage touring brings.