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I've been doing stretches lately and it really seems to work
it also turns out I dont need as short a top tube as I thought I did, the Bob has a 52cm TT and a 100mm stem with compact bars and thats comfy commuting,
my alan has a 50cm TT and the 100mm stem on it feels too short now when Im not riding with a backpack so thinking of going form -6 100 to -17 120?
In the long run I'd like a new frame to replace the Alan as my main roadbike as I could potentially run 52 ETT with ~110 stem I think.
Not sure if stretching is truely classed as a CP but it worked.