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  • Comparing this sale to the value of classic cars is ridiculous. How often do classic car collectors pay premium prices for cars they have only seen online, that have no record of provenance, that look like they have possible structural damage, where they can have no basis for good faith in the seller?

    Oh...purlease...What is with you downer idiots...and when I say idiots its based on your continual misunderstanding of these frames...No it isn't like someone finding a skanky allegro with original square steering wheel...
    It's Cinelli Laser...which if we are continuing the classic car analogy...thats the equivalent of finding a Works Cooper 'S' in a barn...it doesn't really matter who drove it or that it didn't win a rally, it's the fact that at the time they were made...they only made 300...that they were made by cinelli...that they were groundbreaking...and that despite 300 being made...not very many of them pop up for sale...especially ones that have been sitting in a barn for 30 years...
    Every time someone digs out a classic piece of sporting history, ie something really fricking rare...ears are pricked...
    If this was a works cooper and had been found, there would be all sorts of people willing to buy it despite not seeing it in the flesh, the same sort of fervour would be seen...
    As for the remarks about it only being seen 'online', it's lack of provenance, and the 'possible structural damage'... these 'assertions' aren't really fair, as it's pretty obvious the frame is a cinelli laser, its provenance is neither here nor there as the seller isn't claiming it is a particular riders frame, and it's obviously a stupidly rare Laser...not some bodge job with a tub of car filler, and that 3 were found together adds to the assumption they are genuine. As for the 'structural damage' that again seems rather spurious to as when you look at the rest of the photos it looks straight.

    Claiming the seller is a charlatan based on the fact he is young and from russia is bordering on the xenophobic.
    If the frame was a lemon, and that's a damned big if... then hey...whose to say he wouldn't be straight about it and offer you a refund?

    There hasn't been a price mentioned yet...so yes that's annoying... tho this obvious case of sour grapes just sounds like jealous old men getting their Y fronts in a twist.

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