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Someone got out of bed the wrong side this morning. Are you accusing Clive and Chris of bullying?

We want tags for pisstaking duties of other members posting in the football thread, not bullying.

We do most of the pisstaking in person these days, so tags probably aren't needed any more.

I'll happily be wrong, perhaps Clive would like to describe some scenarios and why they seem to involve anonymous tags if no-one else shares that need any longer.

I don't want anonymous tags, far from it. I would like to be the only person to be allowed to tag so everyone would know the tags were mine.

But more than this, the simple exercise of asking for tags is fulfilment in itself.

#KnackeredAfterDraftingInRameyesWakeForThreeDays

I realise.

What they want is not tags, what they want is some mechanism that offers them anonymity whilst they bully other people and can leave messages with some permanence in which they can antagonise and humiliate someone else.

They don't actually want tags, tags as the vBulletin hack is implemented just allows them to get what they do want.

I'm not really in the business of trying to create a system to embrace and encourage such behaviour. It might be a side-effect (it is, in any system that permits open speech), but if a feature has no other redeeming qualities and this is the way it is used, then the feature is not fit for purpose.

Hashtags do fulfil the searchability function of tags, so that is what Microcosm will adopt.

As tags on LFGSS are a brutal hack, they won't be coming with us to Microcosm (only default vBulletin functionality will be in the import script). I've yet to determine whether people want me to migrate tags, let alone how to.

The system does know who made a tag, and at what time, and I could take all existing tags and turn them into posts comprised of a single hashtag that is the tag in LFGSS.

But I don't yet know whether this is palatable to LFGSS users given that they relied upon the tags anonymity to allow themselves to be pretty despicable humans, and once imported the anonymity will drop away and reveal who said what and when.

No would have been fine. Piss off equally fine but this^ tl;dr so if its any kind of reasoned argument, it's wasted on me.

PS. any chance we could get tags back in the football thread?

Can we have tags back if we promise to only take the piss out of Pisti?

#weartheshirt

Can we make it a rule that items need to have a listed asking price in the classifieds?

No would have been fine. Piss off equally fine but this^ tl;dr so if its any kind of reasoned argument, it's wasted on me.

PS. any chance we could get tags back in the football thread?

I keep saying no, Clive keeps asking, so I give fuller and blunter answers each time.

No.

Can we make it a rule that items need to have a listed asking price in the classifieds?
this

We already have these:

Basic rules for classifieds:

No fishing expeditions. You are either selling something or you're not. Either it's in the classifieds or it's deleted.

Advisory (not rules):

Put a price in the first post, with ONO (Or Nearest Offer) if you're willing to negotiate.

What aren't those covering?

so we can have a future record of the price so when its time to sell something similar.

how we account for hipsterflation then? or, how would thomson stems stop going up in value FOR NO REASON.

so we can have a future record of the price so when its time to sell something similar.

That isn't entirely logical. Things sell at the price people are willing to pay, that something sold today for £400 doesn't mean that someone exists who will pay £400 tomorrow.

Advisory (not rules):

Put a price in the first post, with ONO (Or Nearest Offer) if you're willing to negotiate.

What aren't those covering?

I interpreted this to mean that it is advised, but not mandatory, to list a price. Regarding the BLB trispoke, it appeared the seller had the same interpretation.

Would it be worth revising rules to state that is mandatory to list a price? Not the final sale price, but the original asking price.

It's not mandatory... in the tri-spoke thread the guy was on a fishing expedition and doing closed bids.

He broke the fishing rule, not the lack of price rule (which doesn't exist).

My original request was that *it is made * mandatory to list a price. I can't see any community benefit for an asking price not to be listed in a classified.

There's a fair number of sales in which the price isn't put in the advert, but the item most definitely is for sale.

Usually the price goes along the line of:
A: "How much is this?"
B: "I didn't know how to price it, make me a fair offer"
A: "£x"
B: "I guess that's fair... done deal"

And that's fine, as the haggle isn't prohibited and is frequently in the thread and public.

Those sales happen, there is a zero incident rate related to that type of haggle-based transaction.

The only time an issue arises... is when someone really doesn't mean to sell for less than an exorbitant price and is basically fishing for interest at some hopeful price point.

I don't see why those who sell with a little haggle to reach a fair and agreeable price should be prevented from doing so just because an entirely unrelated party gets greedy once in a while and wants to run a closed auction.

I still believe it's more of a benefit LFGSS to permit the haggle than to drive that section of sales (those unsure on price, but willing to accept and sell on a fair offer amongst friends) off to eBay.

The only thing I'm blocking and preventing is auctions. Oh, and raffles.

B isn't very good at haggling.

B isn't very good at haggling.

Oi! I'm B!

http://www.lfgss.com/member40607.html

Three posts, bumping other people's sales threads

What a fucking cunt.

B isn't very good at tagging.

Oi! I'm B!

Figures.

What happened to the Pinarello thread? I didn't think LFGSS was in the habit of deleting threads.

Perhaps by request of KC?

What happened to the Pinarello thread? I didn't think LFGSS was in the habit of deleting threads.

Who nuked the rainforest?

Perhaps a direct request from Shane Sutton... or even Brailsford himself.