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@brightidea
i understand.
i'm saying that if someone has to ask this question it's because the person isn't fully aware of the variables involved and shouldn't be buying expensive bikes. I would encourage someone in this position to stick to learning to bring old steel Treks (or similar) to perfect riding order for the smallest amount of money possible. and then move on to something more bling.
it's just better for everyone involved. I'll put it another way-- Theres no one answer to this question. it's a matter of whats appropriate. if you don't know whats appropriate then working towards cheap and functional is the answer.
forgive me if i'm mistaken.