Moderators (requests and notices)

We've already closed threads, hidden threads... remember popcorn?... because of a few trolls.

Instead of closing memes, we can just let the trolls make a bed to lie in. Probably a good idea to do the opposite of closing things (open the popcorn!), and actually let the trolls get themselves banned once and for all. There's so few of them, it shouldn't take too long... they only seem to know how to behave one way.

If it's going to happen, it might as well be entertainment for the masses in the meantime.

Open the #popcorn !

Are we moving from a leadership model where responsibility was with the users to report infringements of a framework, decided by a benign leader and the users together, to a more dictatorial system?

No.

I don't want that and I don't think anyone else does either.

From a selfish point of view the whole act of moderating stuff creates work for me, and I'm all about reducing my workload. Thankfully I only do this moderating malarkey when stuff gets reported (in the last few days: edscoble and the cock stuff, saddle and the rape 'joke').

But it's pretty clear that by not being severe enough in how I moderate, and by consciously choosing to be so lenient (by ignoring many moderation requests, attempting to detect bias, letting small things go through, etc), that two things have happened: 1) I failed to listen to the feedback and act on it at the time, and 2) The total amount of moderation work created by a few people has gone up rather than down.

The end goal isn't to gleefully go on a banning spree. The end goal is to have achieved a net reduction in the amount of moderation work I have to do, and within that to have somehow got the tone of the forum back to where the vast majority want it to be.

What's become most clear to me recently (through things like looking at the nerg stats, and stats about users who have been reported frequently and who is reporting), is that a very large number of people report a very very small number of people, and the mass perspective is that the minority are responsible for the vast majority of issues on here, and those are the issues that then result in moderation.

It's not like I'm proposing the "no broken window" zero-tolerance stuff, more that being such a liberal about this and trying to be so accommodating also has it's own issues and perhaps the right balance is a few steps towards more actively moderating stuff when it happens rather than to let so much slide.

Open the #popcorn !

It's been open for an hour or so, no-one has noticed.

lies.

edscoble and the cock stuff
Worst. Band. Ever.

lies.

Ah yes... public again but not open.

Popcorn's open? how come?

Ed, you would only have an excuse for missing that if this had been a verbal conversation.

@Velocio: Why not delegate to other moderators? (I'm not volunteering)
Then you could have less work to do. And then the people who want to keep everyone in line could do that.

#lordoftheflies

Ed, you would only have an excuse for missing that if this had been a verbal conversation.

Saw it, a bait topic, seemed like a good idea.

We've already closed threads, hidden threads... remember popcorn?... because of a few trolls.

Instead of closing memes, we can just let the trolls make a bed to lie in. Probably a good idea to do the opposite of closing things (open the popcorn!), and actually let the trolls get themselves banned once and for all. There's so few of them, it shouldn't take too long... they only seem to know how to behave one way.

If it's going to happen, it might as well be entertainment for the masses in the meantime.

Moderators list

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1. Velocio
   
2. Hippy
   
   

List closed.

@Velocio: Why not delegate to other moderators? (I'm not volunteering)
Then you could have less work to do. And then the people who want to keep everyone in line could do that.

#lordoftheflies

Well in my ideal; my role as a moderator shouldn't exist... and neither should anyone else's.

So simply saying "more mods! delegate the work", is to create another problem, and still without addressing the real problem behind why we were having to do that.

Saw it, a bait topic, seemed like a good idea.

I mean... if we spell it out to everyone... will people still fall for it?

Well in my ideal; my role as a moderator shouldn't exist... and neither should anyone else's.

So simply saying "more mods! delegate the work", is to create another problem, and still without addressing the real problem behind why we were having to do that.

I agree. We should all be sensible and post things that are clever, witty, and informative.

However, that's not going to work is it? And I'm not sure that you can weed people out and not expect others to step into their place. Which means you'll have to go through this again. Only with different spiderman cocks. Or something.

Why not have a forum vote on who they would like to see as moderators. Or have a moderator for a day theme?

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@Velocio: Why not delegate to other moderators? (I'm not volunteering)
Then you could have less work to do. And then the people who want to keep everyone in line could do that.

#lordoftheflies

In the immortal words of Lard. 'whoes going to babysit the babysitters?'

also:
'Lard is the worm in a bottle of cheap tequilla. That comes alive at night, and comes and bites your nipples'
Althought thats arguably less relavent.

However, that's not going to work is it?

It might for a while. Permanently? No way. But perhaps it can be like that a bit more than it is at the moment.

I have absolutely no delusions about eradicating the racist stuff, or the sexist and gender issue stuff (cocks, porn, homophobia, etc) by banning a few people. This stuff will always exist.

But... that's not really a good reason to accept it either. If we accept it exists, then that's one thing... but on the whole we don't want to start tolerating and encouraging it.

If it can be reduced substantially by a few people who really post most of it self-moderating... then great, as I won't get involved.

And if I ban people and that reduces that stuff substantially... then great, as we'll have a better place to hang-out online and the reduction in incidents means that it's back within the realm of "you the community can just call people out on this". I guess that's where it fell apart... it became so commonplace that everyone likely to call people out just got tired of doing so.

Totally missed all the scoble beef. It's because I've never had a job where unregulated internet use is a problem, so my idea of what's acceptable on a public forum is a little skewed.

It might for a while. Permanently? No way. But perhaps it can be like that a bit more than it is at the moment.

I have absolutely no delusions about eradicating the racist stuff, or the sexist and gender issue stuff (cocks, porn, homophobia, etc) by banning a few people. This stuff will always exist.

But... that's not really a good reason to accept it either. If we accept it exists, then that's one thing... but on the whole we don't want to start tolerating and encouraging it.

If it can be reduced substantially by a few people who really post most of it self-moderating... then great, as I won't get involved.

And if I ban people and that reduces that stuff substantially... then great, as we'll have a better place to hang-out online and the reduction in incidents means that it's back within the realm of "you the community can just call people out on this". I guess that's where it fell apart... it became so commonplace that everyone likely to call people out just got tired of doing so.

Reset switch and ask for more involvement from the community to police?

Why not have a forum vote on who they would like to see as moderators. Or have a moderator for a day theme?

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Please this!

scoble beef. .

Is this even more exclusive than Kobe beef?

Is this even more exclusive than Kobe beef?

If you do the massaging, and beer feeding. I'll get the filet knives sharpened.

^
Actually that sounds like a stabby stabby threat. It isnt, Scoble. Its a joke.

paranoid

Can someone delet this thread

https://www.lfgss.com/thread105250.html

I closed it with the thread tools... but it's still there :(