A pink Joe Waugh - first build ever

Well done on getting the frame. Would love to know how much you paid, I'm jealous.
I'm new to stem and headset dimensions, and a bit confused. If you have a 1" steerer tube then you need a 22.2mm stem according to this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_(bicycle_part)#Steerer_tube_diameter

I might have a spare one you can have if you want to come to E14 to collect it? I'll have to double check the measurements.

Ah, no, the steerer tube is 1" but the clamp needs my handlebars which have a 24mm diameter in the middle. If you have something that fits I should be able to get to E14.

The price, well.

I was in this bike jumble sale first thing in the morning and was chatting to Luckyskull when a I saw this guy come in to the hall with a small pink frame. I interrupted Luke, said "smallpinkframe" and made a beeline for the frame. Straight away this other guy starts eyeing it up, while I start measuring it up. It's my size, I take a look at the whole frame and realise it's exactly what I want when I see this other guy talking to the owner. I ses to him
"Are you buying this frame?"
"I just bought it." He'd just bought it for £90. "You can buy it off me though."
He then disappears, making me wait for a bit, I find him and say I wanna buy the frame, he takes me aside with the frame and goes.
"Right, it's £145."
"!!!!!!!!!!. You just bought it for £90!"
"Yeah. I'm a dealer. That's what I do."
"Well will you take £100?"
"No."
"£120?"
He shakes his head. "It's not enough. Tell you what though, I'll put it in my van and you can have a think, have a cup of tea and a roll, and come back to me. £140".
"Uuuuh. Okay."

So I have a coffee and a roll and I talk to the original owner and I talk to Luckyskull, I know I really want it, but I don't wanna pay a £50 premium for being shit at haggling. The original owner says that it's a good frame and he doesn't think that £140 is such a bad price and shows me the new headset in it. Luckyskull tells me that if I really want it, then I should pay what it's worth to me (I think this is what Marx meant by "exchange value").

So I go up to my stony-faced enemy and say "I've had a think, and I think you're gonna so really well by selling this straight away in cash. You won't to package it, transport it, post it, store it, or anything. So I think that £130's a good price."
"Ok. Deal."

He said that far too quickly! I realised that £145 - 10%= £130 so £130 was probably the price he was looking for in the first place. I coulda definitely knocked another tenner off it.

Anyway, so I paid £130. That's £30 more than I paid for my entire current bike.

Wheels!

The guy you bought it off sounds like a weasal.

Bar end shifters would be very tempting if I could find them for a reasonable price. I now have index-compatible gear cable so I could go indexed if I wanted to.

What would I have to take into consideration? I would probably get a 6 or 7 speed block, so would I then have to get a Campagnolo 6/7 speed bar-end shifters? Are they always indexed shifters? What diameter do your bars have to be to fit them?

You'll need an indexed rear derailleur (unless you get lucky). I'd stick with friction shifters, seeing as you've already got most of it. Suntour bar ends are good, they use a ratchet. Have you considered stem mounted shifters like this.

Oh! Stem mounted shifters are sexy too. To be honest, I don't mind downtube shifters at all, or friction shifting. It's a small bike, It's got nobbly bits anyway, I don't have far to lean down, and I kinda like the feeling of intuition you get with friction shifting, getting good at it feels like getting to know your bike. chg chg chg click.

Cheers for clarifying on the rear derailleur, I needed to know that.

I've had to buy new handlebars since the ones I bought have a stupid rare clamp diameter (23.8mm). As such, I've installed a pretty standard quill stem I got off a mate.

I'm focusing on brakes at the moment. I've measured the drop at 50mm, however I'm not too sure about the mavic 4cd rim on the back because it has a very shallow and high braking surface. After some research, I've decided that a pair of Shimano 105 1055 calipers with either Weinimann flat bar levers or a pair of those flatbar shimano levers for caliper brakes would be ideal.

@TM ah, he seemed really lovely once he got his money and came out of character.

i would go with weasel......it was a really douchbag thing to do... but it was the only way you would end up with a frame you had obviously fallen in love with..... and at the end of the day, £130 for a object you will get years of joy from is worth the extra £40......

Lovely frame, I'd have done the same as you.
Me? I think it screams out to built as it would have been in the day. And I'm with luckyscull, Shimano 600EX cheap shiny and it works, and so happens to be whar I'm building my Hannington with ^

Another pink Joe Waugh! awesome!

@edscoble ANOTHER? Link me to my enemy and rival!

An old photo but now got an old style Campag double crankset, Brook B17 saddle, toe clip and strap and those fancy Nitto long steel setback seatpost, weight is 10.3kg, the wheels is very heavy (which will get replaced with H+Son TB14 + Hope hubs).

Anyway, so I paid £130. That's £30 more than I paid for my entire current bike.

Despite costing a lots more, it's still a very good deal for what appear to be a great frame in excellent condition, some of them were made by Dave Yates for example.

I paid £140 for my girlfriend's Joe.

Yeah, I feel like I've seen handbuilt frames in similar condition go for a lot more on here.

Very lovely. Looks small too. Do you know what brakes she's put on there? I'm trying to find some suitable decent ones for the drop (50mm) that I can get for under £20 for the pair but can only find this sort of thing new. There doesn't seem to be many of the Shimano 105 ones I posted above around on ebay.

Me? I think it screams out to built as it would have been in the day. And I'm with luckyscull, Shimano 600EX cheap shiny and it works, and so happens to be whar I'm building my Hannington with ^

Yeah I see what you mean. Go with the nineties look. I don't feel like buying an entire groupset (the chainrings and brakes from a Shimano 600 groupset would be wrong) but I will move more towards the nineties look and away from the vintage look.

Do you know what brakes she's put on there? I'm trying to find some suitable decent ones for the drop (50mm) that I can get for under £20 for the pair but can only find this sort of thing new. There doesn't seem to be many of the Shimano 105 ones I posted above around on ebay.

Her Joe was custom build for someone, very small, but a very long top tube (54cm), hence the handlebar choice to fit her better.

The brakes are short reach on it, but the Shimano you've found are plentiful enough, are you certain it's 50mm? have you got a spare brakes you can put on it to see the clearance?

There is a single pivot one that go down to 51mm called the Dia-Compe BRS200 if you want a classic looking brakeset.

The brakes are short reach on it, but the Shimano you've found are plentiful enough, are you certain it's 50mm? have you got a spare brakes you can put on it to see the clearance?

Kinda certain, measured with some decent measuring thingies but not so sure about the back wheel rim as the braking surface is shallow and high. My mate might have some that I can play about with, good idea. I found those Shimano 105 ones on velobase but can't find them for sale anywhere (at a decent price).

I found a 50mm front brake and a 49mm back brake and tried them out with both shoes pushed all the way down.

The 50mm front brake fitted pretty much exactly, the 49mm back brake fitted with the shoes protruding very slightly over the rim.

Because of the headaches I've had with finding brakes for my current bike, I'd rather have a bit of leeway either side of 50mm when buying a brake. But since 50mm seems to be the right size, I could probably go for a brake with 50mm max reach.

Or just get those 47-57mm reach one.

Or just get those 47-57mm reach one.

Yeah that's what I've been looking for but can't find any apart from the Shimano 105 BR 1055 105 SC (rare) or the new ones (expensive).

I haven't opened my mind to Tektro yet so I may do that.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/miche-performance-57mm-drop-brake-calliper-set/

Thanks Wardy, I think I'll get those.

I have calipers, levers, tyres, and a saddle on order.

Now it's time. dun dun dun. To buy a drivetrain (?).

I have a sachs 7 speed cassette, I need to buy the crank with chainrings, a bottom bracket, and a chain.

Those brakes are pretty good, I used a set for a while and never had any problems.
I incidentally just got a lovely yellow JW frame, although it looks as though it may be a repainted colnago. I was going to cut it up and make a bamboo bike out of it as it has a severely damaged seat tube, but I'm starting to think I should get it repaired instead!

Haven't realised they were a set, they'll do a good job of stopping you, any dual pivot will be enough