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I'm not trying to be the defender of vegetarianism on the internet, as I honestly don't care what anyone eats, but this point is stupid. The discussion was in relation to Kev saying eating cheap meat means you have to acknowledge your food will be pumped full of hormones, offal and gristle. None of these things are in vegertarian food, especially not if you make your own food (we don't all live off Quorn and Linda McCartneys). Pointing out that some animals will die in the process of harvesting food that vegetarians doesn't make any point and doesn't make the food non-vegetarian.

Actually, many vegetables, grains & legumes contain phytoestrogen and other substances which have an endocrinological effect. In fact the absence of animal products alone will have an effect. And this is just the natural characteristics of food crops, not the effects of pesticides and such.

UK meat industry is not allowed to use hormones.

Next, there is absolutely nothing wrong with offal & gristle. Organ meats are the most nutriticious parts of an animal, also the gristle/fat is the richest source of calories and a very healthy source of cooking fat which does not increase demand for seed oils (which are actually bad for you and bad for the environment).

Are you suggesting that we should waste half of an animal? eating only lean muscle tissue? Does that make ecological or ethical sense?

Seed oil products like rape require some of the largest quantities of chemical spraying of all crops. Growing this stuff guarantees death of entire ecosystems iand plenty of pollution in the very large monoculture fields they are planted in.

As with most crops, even organic ones. You need to kill enormous amounts of wildlife to make it work.

Lastly, Dublinkev said they were putting stuff like Sawdust in meat. This is just not true.