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anyone know what chainring this is???
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here benjy > http://44rn.com/post/10123742043/144-47-0a
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Anyone know of a bar this shape (these are ritchey classic logic curves)
that are available in black. these only come polishedI have those on my Pompetamine. Awesome bars. Pretty sure the WCS Logic Curve bar is the same in black. Not sure why they seem to be so much more expensive though. Seen a pair of these in the flesh the other day and reckon they're pretty close shape wise. Finish looks really good too. Considering a pair for my Pre Cursa build.
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Hi I'm new to this forum, and this is actually the first bike I bought.
I've bought this bike second hand after a decent amount of research and advice from a friend who knows more about vintage bikes.The decals say it's a Champion Mondial AA-super, but when I tried to find out the age, I saw that the model doesn't resemble the images online, nor does it seem to have a model number. Not all is bad, it seems to have Campagnolo dropouts and headsets and a right Campagnolo 175 strada crank (anyone have a lefty?) Ive paid 80€ for it, so I don't think I I've been completely screwed, but please tell me.
I've included some pics of the bike.
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http://imageshack.us/a/img809/6864/60742486.jpgLet me know if you need more info.
Max
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Anybody got infos on Mercier? I got this frame for a while now laying around, still searching for info on the year, parts and decals to fit.
It has Campagnolo drop-outs, so a bit unusual for a french bike, and no eyelets. bad paint job, so I think it was repainted. Another strange thing are the cable housings on the right downside of the top tube, haven't seen this on any other Mercier before.
more pics
http://fotos.rennrad-news.de/s/12810I will build it up with Shimano 600 Arabesque as the back brake will fit best this way. The whole set weights ~2900g, so I think it is made of Reynolds 531 or some kind of Columbus steel but the diametre is 26.4mm or .6mm, so probably no 531 or SL.
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Not particularly knowledgeable about such things, so I may be wrong on any of the points below.
It has fittings for mudguards (on the rear at least) and the Champion Mondial AA was a top of the range racing bike. I would also expect to see a fitting under the top tube for a racing number.
I haven't seen lug cutouts in that shape on a Gazelle before and there is no Gazelle pantographed into the fork crown.
The rear brake cable and shifters have band-on mounts; the rear derailleur cable stop is on top of the chainstay: all point to a 1970s bike. Does the cable guide go over or under the bottom bracket? I've not seen a CM AA that old.
Having said that, it does look to be a decent frame (what diameter is the seatpost) and EUR80 seems like a good price; who knows you might have something even better!
In trying to ID the frame, I'd concentrate on the combination of lug cutouts and the detail on the top of the fork crown.
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^A couple more thoughts...
Firstly if you paid €80 for a bike in that condition with campag dropouts and what looks to be pretty reasonable, period correct kit, you have a bargain my friend!Serial # is usually a good place to start when identifying a frame
It's not so common to stamp serial number on the seat lug/cluster like that.
Those lugs are relatively uncommon... Nutsjesmoar and I both have similar lugs on bikes that we own. Mine's made by Chas Roberts, he didn't get to the bottom of who made his, it was bought in the netherlands and badged as a LOOK.
Here's some details of his...
http://www.lfgss.com/post2918877-2298.html
http://www.lfgss.com/thread90850.html
and here's a shot of the lugs on my roberts...
I think the lugs are bocama or prugnat and have been drilled by the framebuilder - this was pretty fashionable in the 70's as a means of reducing weight!The mudguard eye is also quite interesting, as it means that it's not a race frame. It could still be a custom-built clubman bike or a mass produced one.
Given the fact that it has Gazelle decals on it, I'd suggest investigating whether it's a lower range (non CM) gazelle.
I also have a fake Gazelle - it turned out to be a Bob Jackson.
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Hello, I have recently picked up this road bike. I rather briskly turned it into a single speed, just to get it on the road (no other transportation other than buses....) and found that I have no idea where this bike came from. I think I am the 3rd or 4th owner, frame is steel, the drop outs are too used to be able to easily read the cast name, though there are some discernible letters on them. The letters painted below the clear coat before someone scratched them off, I believe, spell out Runseaux, with a rainbow sticker just under the seat stays on the seat tube that says special competition. The components range from Shimano 600 friction shifters and crankset to Dura ace brakes and Campagnolo rear mech and break leavers and Sachs hubs on Mavic rims. I did pick this up out side of Paris, but I can not find any info on the Runseaux, and the identification marks on the BB are of no real help. They read as: 58095 4 and then strewn about at random angles are these numbers: 367 2 and then below that 3 5
Pictures here https://plus.google.com/photos/114920164466456800160/albums/5846991289521901009
If anyone has any idea, that would be awesome (I think the drop outs say Super Vitus, or Soper Vitus)
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Not particularly knowledgeable about such things, so I may be wrong on any of the points below.
It has fittings for mudguards (on the rear at least) and the Champion Mondial AA was a top of the range racing bike. I would also expect to see a fitting under the top tube for a racing number.
I haven't seen lug cutouts in that shape on a Gazelle before and there is no Gazelle pantographed into the fork crown.
The rear brake cable and shifters have band-on mounts; the rear derailleur cable stop is on top of the chainstay: all point to a 1970s bike. Does the cable guide go over or under the bottom bracket? I've not seen a CM AA that old.
Having said that, it does look to be a decent frame (what diameter is the seatpost) and EUR80 seems like a good price; who knows you might have something even better!
In trying to ID the frame, I'd concentrate on the combination of lug cutouts and the detail on the top of the fork crown.
The seatpost is a 3ttt with a 26 mm. diameter, does that say anything? I'll try to look into the placement of that weird serial number 063-3.
Do you mean this with the bottom cable guide, if so, it goes over:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1529/1090339.jpgThanks for the help!
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Not particularly knowledgeable about such things, so I may be wrong on any of the points below.
It has fittings for mudguards (on the rear at least) and the Champion Mondial AA was a top of the range racing bike. I would also expect to see a fitting under the top tube for a racing number.
I haven't seen lug cutouts in that shape on a Gazelle before and there is no Gazelle pantographed into the fork crown.
The rear brake cable and shifters have band-on mounts; the rear derailleur cable stop is on top of the chainstay: all point to a 1970s bike. Does the cable guide go over or under the bottom bracket? I've not seen a CM AA that old.
Having said that, it does look to be a decent frame (what diameter is the seatpost) and EUR80 seems like a good price; who knows you might have something even better!
In trying to ID the frame, I'd concentrate on the combination of lug cutouts and the detail on the top of the fork crown.
Hi,
Those cutouts seem exactly the same. Sadly the kit on my bike isn't that nice, the brakes seem too be in bad shape (universal 68) and the shimano 105 derailleur is a little ugly. I'm considering buying some old dura ace brakes, new tires and handlebar and converting to a Single Speed.
Thanks for all the input BTW.
Any ideas on colors? The old suede seat is bordeaux red which makes things a little difficult. I like the seat btw, it seems to be a Selle Italia, and the model seems to say professional. Maybe I can touch it up, allthough I guess that's difficult with worn-out suede.
Max
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^ Yep, 26.0 is pretty significant - it means the bike does not have 28.6mm OD tubing.
If the OD of the tubes is perhaps 28.0, and it's a plain gauge tube at 0.9mm wall thickness that would be a nominal 26.2mm ID so allowing for eccentricity a 26.0mm seatpost would fit.
28.0mm tubing tends to be referred to as "French"... Most columbus frames were 28.6, but Vitus were typically 28.0, as was the 531 for the french market.
The only other bikes I've seen 26.0 seatposts on are Japanese - I had a centurion with a 26.0 post - made from plain gauge Tange tubing.
There are obviously exceptions, today I'm riding a Cliff Shrubb track bike with a 26.0mm seatpost - Some UK frame builders used Vitus tubing and some used french 531.
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The seatpost is a 3ttt with a 26 mm. diameter, does that say anything? I'll try to look into the placement of that weird serial number 063-3.
Do you mean this with the bottom cable guide, if so, it goes over:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1529/1090339.jpgThanks for the help!
^ Yep, 26.0 is pretty significant - it means the bike does not have 28.6mm OD tubing.
If the OD of the tubes is perhaps 28.0, and it's a plain gauge tube at 0.9mm wall thickness that would be a nominal 26.2mm ID so allowing for eccentricity a 26.0mm seatpost would fit.
28.0mm tubing tends to be referred to as "French"... Most columbus frames were 28.6, but Vitus were typically 28.0, as was the 531 for the french market.
The only other bikes I've seen 26.0 seatposts on are Japanese - I had a centurion with a 26.0 post - made from plain gauge Tange tubing.
There are obviously exceptions, today I'm riding a Cliff Shrubb track bike with a 26.0mm seatpost - Some UK frame builders used Vitus tubing and some used french 531.
Well we've both learned something. I asked about the seatpost diameter, because it can be an indication of the quality of the tubeset: higher end tubes (531c, SLX etc) tend to be 27.2mm or 27.0mm.
I didn't know about French tubes at all.
Yes I was asking about the bottom bracket guide: putting it under the BB indicates a later (+1980s) frame. I'm not sure I've seen a band-on guide before, but it reinforces my hunch that it is a 70's or earlier frame. I don't know if OTT band-on guides were contemporary with OTT braze-on guides, or even earlier.
All in all, it seems you have something that is rather interesting and quite nice: keep digging!
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Quite!
Definitely 70's though - the steel campag headset's probably original, and band-on brake cable guides were also common on lightweight bikes in the 70's too. My Roberts is from 1972 which gives some idea of when the drilled out lugs were fashionable.
The downtube shifters are fun too..
When the gearing was upgraded it looks like a pair of Japanese braze-on levers were fitted onto the original early 70's chrome shifter band! -
I will keep digging, although maybe not today, spent way too much time obsessing over this, and I didn't know anything about vintage bikes before last weekend. I really need to be doing other stuff, but I guess we all recognise this behaviour.
Only the older "A" frames had wrapover seat stays as far as i know,but i've never seen one with drilled lugs and i've had a fair few! Certainly not a AA super,this was the short wheelbase model with indented seat tube and wishbone stay.Pic of mine below for illustration.
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just bought a new frame, a nice looking concorde
the decals say it's a astore, the previous owner said it's a frame from 1975 but i kinda doubt this, it looks younger imo...components are galli and campa, fork dropouts are campa too
looked at a bunch of concordes online but didn't find any with "concorde" engraved in the frame
if somebody has any info on what type or year or whatever information, it would be really welcome
(don't mind the watermark, i took them of the site where i found the frame)
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1975 could be right, I doubt it's younger.
Braze-on shifter mounts and under chainstay derailleur stop are later features. Does the derailleur cable guide go under the BB? Again a later feature.
Band-on front derailleur and the lack of top tube cable guides are earlier features (or are they on the NDS).
"Earlier" and "later" aren't definite dates as different builders introduced/phased-out these features at different times, but mid-70s to the mid-80s is, broadly speaking, the transition period.
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I have just purchased this from WillPalmer...... its been passed around the forum, Hippy imported from Australia, then onto Benjybars, then to Rodolfo(his pictures), then WillPalmer, now to me(almost).....
Serial number 7314 and TT stamped on the bottom bracket shell.
Can anyone help identify the builder......possibly 1970's Australian?
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you bought a bike that hippy may have distorted with his immense
bulkpower..?..a fool and his money..
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A couple of years ago I bought an Ian May badged, early Nineties racer off Ebay for £100.
Not much information available about the man himself: he had a shop on the Wirral, a reputation as an "experimental" framebuilder and he died relatively young.
You may still find the number for his shop listed: please don't ring it, the number now belongs to a very patient lady and the shop is definitely closed (earlier enquires caused a spate of calls to her).
It came with a mishmash of low-end parts typical of the period which seemed to be OE: Maillard hubs (dated 1991) laced to Rigida rims, a Tracer chainset, Ofmega front and Simplex rear derailleur, Taiwanese callipers and Modolo levers, Gippiemme shifters etc etc.
So far, so what?
The surprise was that the lugged frame is built from oval tubes, in a round-oval-round profile: not too common. I've ruled-out Reynolds Speedstream as this was for lugless builds; I've ruled-out Columbus Max as this was oval throughout it's length and used oval lugs; I've ruled-out Columbus Air as this was teardrop in profile.
As already mentioned, Ian had a reputation for being Experimental, so my best guess now is that he had a local engineering firm shape the tubes for him. However, it has an Italian BB and I've just discovered that the internal diameter of the crown race is 27.0mm, so that too is Italian (or possibly JIS).
It seems odd that Ian would have had a tubeset formed and then built it to Italian standards; more likely that this was built in Italy and badged for sale in his shop, which brings us back to the question of the tubes.
The dropouts are not named and there are no markings on the bottom bracket, steerer or anywhere else that I can see. All in all, I'm foxed: the frame isn't run-of-the-mill, but the paint is poor (lacquer runs everywhere) and the OE was modest at best.
Any thoughts? Photos here.
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