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uhh, so much vitriol, it was never my intention to derail this thread, and I apologize to the seller for kicking it off. i just wanna say that he asked for offers, and I gave one, citing a frame repair as reason for a small discount. maybe doing it via pm would have been more sensible in hindsight, anyway we all agree it's a beauty of a frame, and a queen of a fork crown....and easily worth the money