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@raith_rusty_cog
brilliant! thankyou very much, cam I ask if you could have a look at what hapening on the rear? with you're full guards are you still seeing crap coming down onto the BB and stays from above?
My ultimate aim is to cobble together a set up that actually "guards" enough I don't care about the look as I don't like any mudguards, but as you say they are needed.