Future Projects

After starting a thread recently for a dream bike that might never happen, I wondered what everyone else had planned.

Occasionally in other threads that I frequent, other forumengers mention bike related projects that are far from being current. These vary from the next commuting bike they might be saving for, the next race bike, or a bike for some variation in riding style or a different application ( mtbs have been cropping up a lot recently ): Right through to frames they're designing or building from scratch, even bikes built up from components that aren't in production yet.

I'm quite nosy, so would like to see all these potential projects come together in one place, where no doubt they'll be questioned, criticised, or simply mocked in the friendly style Lfgss is known for. So if you're playing around with ideas for new bikes over the next few years, or are waiting for someone to invent a new bike part, then let's see them.

My list so far ranges from the fairly modest ones that are definitely happening, to wish list items that will hopefully come about one day.

1. A Surly Ogre frame to replace my Surly LHT as an everyday utility bike. ( deposit paid )

2. Custom designed Titanium mtb frame. ( Depends very much on my budget & earnings next year )

3. A fast road bike with disc brakes. I haven't seen anything out yet that ticks all the boxes for me, but as road riding isn't my main thing, I'd prefer to get something mass produced ( undecided on frame material )

As long as it's not currently being done, pop it in here.

I'd like a compact geo steel frame with a normal sized headtube whereas my normal bikes have dwarf ones.

sort of like this (very rough)

Canti Mounts, clearences for 32C knobblys and mudguards but still looking nice with normal road wheels for longer summer rides

There's probably quite a few things I'd build if money was no object - custom steel framed high end component road bike, Pelizolli Legenda type framed ultraporn fixie for street use etc but realistically, I've decided that because of the shitty weather and condition and over-gritting of the roads etc in this country there's very little point in me personally owning things like that because I'd be afraid to use them.

I think my money would be far better of sunk into a fully mudguarded (and like custom fitted to the frame & tyre size so no projecting/adjustable stays) internally geared porteur/touring style bike. I'd like it to be belt drive to cut down on maintenance/gritty chain noise, dynamo hub, some kind of hub brakes too, at least disc but preferably drum. Front rack (though I realise this isn't very toury) and probably rear too, maybe get some frame bags made up.

It'd combine a couple bikes I already own into one (ratty old 3 speed puch with metal guards/Pompino with front rack).

1. A fast road bike with disc brakes. I haven't seen anything out yet that ticks all the boxes for me, but as road riding isn't my main thing, I'd prefer to get something mass produced ( undecided on frame material )
   
   

Rose have released this in their new 2013 range, could be what your after http://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/rose-xeon-dx-4400-double/aid:632536
http://media1.roseversand.de/product/1850/1/8/1899632_1.jpg

This years hopeful/dream project is to build up a surly cross check nice and swish ready for next seasons cross as well as winter training and light touring. Got the frame already with cheap mtb stuff and bar ends but looking to a nicer road group set on it when I have the money. Most money is currently getting my road bike ready for the season so will be quite some time before I get round to building up the surly.

Porn projects aside I'd like to:

1. Get rigid forks with cantilever mounts (maybe 26" front, 28" back), white ind eccentric hub to change my city MTB Author to a all city racer.

2. Lace up some cheapo rims to NOS Miche hubs and and build my gas-pipe "Rog" from the part box to a SS.

3. Finish my "Nordstern" project before 3rd of March (my birthday) so i can shred it when the nice weather comes.

4. Get a Ron Cooper track frame in my size, hang it on the wall, and assemble porn build up over years.

5. Italian classic from 70-ties built up period correct.

6. Move to a bigger flat, where I would put all this bikes.

7. Get rich enough to be able to complete all this projects. :)

When my cashflow + health improves, I want to transfer all my component's from my Surly LHT (sell the frame and the wheels) over to a new green crosscheck frameset - Build up a decent set of 700c sealed bearing wheels, and use it as my ''one bike to rule them all'' Winter bike, everyday commuting, road rides, touring.

My current plan for the summer is to take my two mountain bikes and combine them into one do it all bike.

So this plus this thing I have no photos of to make something like a 5Spot or a NP Mega or even a Titus FTM if On-One have any left by then.

Then potentially build the XC frame above into a singlespeed rigid winter machine again, as it used to be. Or do a CX bike.

I would like to build a ratty commuter/shopping/tourer, I thought I had the perfect frame for this which is a v-light but very scuffed and superficially dented frame, but since building into my daily commuting fixed, I have found there is serious toe overlap (which i assume would be a pain when touring with heavy loads) and that it is probably a cm or two too small so may have to find something else. Would love to go with a hub gear but not 100% sure.

I think my money would be far better of sunk into a fully mudguarded (and like custom fitted to the frame & tyre size so no projecting/adjustable stays) internally geared porteur/touring style bike. I'd like it to be belt drive to cut down on maintenance/gritty chain noise, dynamo hub, some kind of hub brakes too, at least disc but preferably drum. Front rack (though I realise this isn't very toury) and probably rear too, maybe get some frame bags made up.

Sounds good.

For Christmas I would like the following:

1. 650b roughstuff tourer with clearance for fat semi-knobblies and mudguards, steel, with relatively short toptube, drop bars AND hydraulic discs, belt-drive Rohloff and custom bags, S&S couplings, fancy dynamo lights... and a set of lighter SS wheels with Grand Bois tyres for lazy summer evening pub rides. And a dinosaur.
   
2. Heavy bastard car-replacement longbike with belt driven hub gear, drum brakes, dynamo hub and a cage around the headlight to stop it getting smashed.
   
3. Nice 'sensible road' bike with room for 33.3 Jack Brown tyres and comfortable geometry.
   
4. Brompton.
   
5. Full workshop to create and re-create all of the above, and £1,000,000 p.a. salary from British Cycling to do this for a living.
   

My long term aim is to stop spanking money on bikes.
But that's just a dream... I don't have the money for it, really.

With the SSCX craze atm i been thinking about trying to build a compact steel frame, i can braze to a reasonable standard it's just getting the time space and equipment now.

planish:

also i planned out a similar build for a road bike

1. A fast road bike with disc brakes. I haven't seen anything out yet that ticks all the boxes for me, but as road riding isn't my main thing, I'd prefer to get something mass produced ( undecided on frame material )
   
   

.

Exactly what I want. Having come back to cycling via mountain biking, I definitely want hydraulic brakes. I'd like it with a large Reynolds 753 frame, high performance tubeless tyres/rim combination, matched to high end 1980s Campag group set & hubs, Cinelli stem and bars and topped off with my old Brooks Pro saddle.

I have no idea if an old 753 frame could be modified by a frame builder to accommodate the above. I'm probably the only cyclist on the planet who would want such a creation!

Rose have released this in their new 2013 range, could be what your after http://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/rose-xeon-dx-4400-double/aid:632536
http://media1.roseversand.de/product/1850/1/8/1899632_1.jpg

That is one option ( if they make a gloss black version )

I'm keeping an eye on what Canyon have planned, as I liked the look of this.

Something like the Ultimate Al with discs would be well suited I think.

^ 2014 at least.

Exactly what I want. Having come back to cycling via mountain biking, I definitely want hydraulic brakes. I'd like it with a large Reynolds 753 frame, high performance tubeless tyres/rim combination, matched to high end 1980s Campag group set & hubs, Cinelli stem and bars and topped off with my old Brooks Pro saddle.

I have no idea if an old 753 frame could be modified by a frame builder to accommodate the above. I'm probably the only cyclist on the planet who would want such a creation!

That is quite a "unique" blend there :-)

My wish list, in approximate order of probability:

1: Finally get some rims to go on the 24h On-One/Novatec track hubs I bought nearly 2 years ago, to replace my Ellipses on 464. Chinese crabon 50mm, most likely.
2: Zipp Super9 disc for the T3, followed by an 808 front
3: Crabon wheels (Zipp 303 or Smart/Enve 3.4 if I win the lottery, otherwise Chinese 38mm) for the 585, plus X0-DH rear mech and XG1090CX cassette
4: Epic custom rollers, blatantly ripping off the inertia/shear layer ideas of TruTrainer but with 6"-8" aluminium rollers
5: 953 frame and fork to replace my Pompetamine. This needs the most work, as I fancy a 20mm through axle rigid steel fork. I think there's a standard 953 tube which will work as a fork blade, but I need to design the dropouts and crown and then get them made. Think this but 20mm, caliper tabs for 8" rotor without adapter and all stainless steel
6: Change up to 29" for my rare MTB forays, Niner Carbon f&f, Enve rims, you know, all the usual Euromillions winner's shopping list

4: Epic custom rollers, blatantly ripping off the inertia/shear layer ideas of TruTrainer but with 6"-8" aluminium rollers.

I look forward to seeing how this is done. I had a quick look at the Tru Trainer site & am now fascinated by the term "viscous load device" :-)

I look forward to seeing how this is done.

The principle is quite simple; one cylinder inside another, with the OD of the inner one only slightly smaller than the ID of the outer one, rotating at different speeds. This shears the thin layer of fluid (air, in this case).

For an inner cylinder of length L, radius r and speed differential Δω, outer cylinder of bore R, we have a shear layer of area approximately 2πrL and thickness R-r, being sheared at a velocity of approximately Δωr

These conditions have been studied and modelled, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couette_flow#Taylor.27s_idealized_model so it shouldn't be rocket science (although its a bit beyond me at this time of night) to derive a speed/power curve if the speed ratio of the two cylinders is fixed by some sort of gearing.

The idea is to set the R-r and Δω such that the total power loss in the shear layer is approximately the same as the total aerodynamic loss for a cyclist at the same speed. By using large enough rollers, one then attempts to get the rolling resistance as close as possible to the condition of a flat road, and by spinning heavy rollers and in particular the fast spinning inner cylinder at high speed, the total system inertia should approximate that of a cyclist in motion.

So, this project needs:
1: Maths
2: Drawing
3: Materials (lots; rollers, massive flywheel, frame, gears, bearings etc.)
4: Money for the man with the big lathe

1. Buy another non-folding Dawes KinPin. Build on a semi-WW basis / classic looks - TA cranks, SS, alu parts, new lighter 1" threadless forks, light wide wheels.

2. Get a bike fit and confirm whether my Giant TCR is the correct size. Then do some mild weight shedding and replace the various red or silver bits for back - stripped SRAM red or rotor cranks, nokon cables, black Ultegra (or SRAM red), new stem, etc.

3. Midec (sp?) light compact geo, OS tubing, fat intergrated head tube, etc. single speed with discs and a bling carbon fork, enve 29" rims and 32c tyres....
   ... Or a matt black BMW gangsta with discs and neon cabling. Basically an SS for bombing around the city.

4. All-city mr. Pink a light wieght but comfortable audax - SRAM red with an mtb rear mech and wider range cassette. Hed. Jet 4, ritchy finishing kit, full carbon GB mudgaurds.

^ although most of those are realistic (or slightly toned down versions would be) I know most will never come to pass. No. 1. and 3. just aren't really needed. I wouldn't mind having the spare cash to drop a bit of weigh from my KingPin (it's 15kg), but then I've spent money on it and may care about it. The SS city dream machine just isn't needed. I can SS my Condor, put wider rims and 28c tyres on it and that's a great bike.

If I had the space and got my arse around to going on more long/semi touring rides I really would love no. 4.

So basically it's just down to getting my Giant how I want it.

In two minds really, I'd quite like a Super Six Evo Di2 frame, but I really like my existing road bike and it's not as if it is the limiting factor after all.

I do wonder what the lifespan of the frame is going to be, that said.

I lied about the cargo bike being a do it all commuter. Why do I want to commute on a massive 20kg bike when I'm not carrying anything?

So I'm thinking of going the CX route again. I have loads of bits. Just need frame and drive chain (well I have 9 spd DA bar end shifters, and v-brake drop levers). Would quite like a Kinesis Pro6.

..and I want to put carbon rims on the 29er.

because.

1. A Surly Ogre frame to replace my Surly LHT as an everyday utility bike. ( deposit paid )

2. Custom designed Titanium mtb frame. ( Depends very much on my budget & earnings next year )

3. A fast road bike with disc brakes. I haven't seen anything out yet that ticks all the boxes for me, but as road riding isn't my main thing, I'd prefer to get something mass produced ( undecided on frame material )

4. A Surly trailer ( Bill or Ted ) for carrying loads of stuff.

Knew I'd forgotten something.

1. Build the Mielec mashalike fixeh commuter when it arrives.

2. Find hubs to build up the (old, rounder) Mavic GP4 rims I've been given (iirc, two 36h, three 32h). So far, got one Formula 32h front hub for £6 :-).

3. Build up the pair of red deep 26" rims I got on ebay. One's an Airline 1, the other's an Alex DH30 (or similar). Unknown ERDs.

4. Build up the Monty 36h fixed+6-bolt disc hub I bought onto a suitable rim. This will probably go on my chopper.

5. Find better (upwards-pushing) chain tensioners for the two polo loaners I've almost finished.

6. Buy bits for my geared Inbred to replace the parts I "borrowed" for other bikes.

7. Completely overhaul my Donohue 853 track bike, maybe a re-enameling, and get it onto Manchester velodrome!

Knew I'd forgotten something.

I've seen the Toppeak one around. Looks a nice size, and well made.

http://www.topeak.com/products/trailer/journey_trailer_drybag