• you people don't seriously believe the weight claims for the Civilian frame?
    its 4130, the Condor steel race frame is 1.8kg so I bet the Civilian is over 2kg + a chinese fork at least over 600-700g.

    Even more dubious as disc-equipped frame tend to be heavier, I'm seriously skeptical at the claim weight of the frame as it's only 300g heavier than a Dolan Seta.

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