Tattoos

I get tattoos for myself, if people get offended because they don't understand that's their issue. Not mine. I certainly don't feel the need to explain myself to everyone who asks. The same goes for everything else I do, I will only ever be answerable to myself.

It's also worth remembering that people who get offended by what a tattoo is will quite often be offended that someone is tattooed at all.
My body. My life. My choice.

Perfect response.

Perfect response if that's how you feel. I feel slightly differently. The perfect response is an honest, personal one.

Object, do you think it's sometimes used provocatively? I'm just interested really, it's an interesting subject to me.

Math, this is stunning:

Did you carry it on down the fingers?

-Math what machine did you use for this one? As we all know palm tattoos fade fast as.

Yeah I knew that. We all knew that right?

-Math what machine did you use for this one? As we all know palm tattoos fade fast as.

It's in there and still is. Depending on how it's done it does stay in

It's in there and still is. Depending on how it's done it does stay in

Just that I have been told rotary machines - or handpoked but deeply lasts longer. So was curious what you used for palm tattoos.

it's an interesting subject to me.

So you're interested in why people get swastika tattoos and yet in the previous breath you said you had no interest in the history of the swastika?

Maybe if you took an interest in the history you'd find the answers you're looking for...

It's taken me 3 days to see the swastikas in that palm tattoo. When I look, I see tessellated outline crosses - like the Red Cross symbol.

@ Mr Lemon - No, they're two different things. I'm interested in the perception of it and people's attitude toward that. I understand roughly what the swastika is about in different cultures and religions, but none of that overcomes the much stronger ties to nazi Germany. At least in the general public's perception (and mine). It would always occur to a person getting a swastika tattoo that it will be associated with WW2 and perhaps misconstrued. I suppose if you truly just didn't care how you came across then it makes no difference, but I'm not convinced such a person exists in all honesty. Object for instance has a very specific and deliberate personality/outlook and wishes to be understood, by others, as an individual... no? Otherwise why else do we express ourselves outwardly?

There are plenty of tattoos around with skulls and other macabre themes that don't aren't so interesting somehow. They're explicit and figurative in a way, not symbolic but literal. I've always been a bit fascinated with the third reich on an aesthetic level - the insignia, the propaganda, the uniforms, the architecture - but I don't know if it's because the terrible history that imbues it with a nightmarish vividness or purely a visual thing. I suspect the former because I don't really think that anything is purely visual but instead always defined by associations.

Anyway, I'm rambling.

So you're interested in why people get swastika tattoos and yet in the previous breath you said you had no interest in the history of the swastika?

Maybe if you took an interest in the history you'd find the answers you're looking for...

I doubt that. Let's be honest about it, this isn't a battle between knowledge and ignorance; I know as much as anyone about the pre-Nazi symbolism of the swastika, but I still wouldn't get it inked on me.

As far as I'm concerned, any genuine reclamation of a symbol has to be done from a position of understanding. And if people who had these symbols tattooed on them showed a bit more understanding, I probably wouldn't think it was stupid. But usually - and this is borne out above - the reasons seem to be more often based around a sort of 'my body my choice' coda. Which imo is not a justification, but a dodge.

This isn't to say anyone else shouldn't have the freedom to get whatever they want tattooed on themselves. But by the same token, I choose the freedom to think it's stupid, insensitive, and crass.

I kind of agree. It seems like a "fuck you, you're ignorant if you don't fully understand my obscure symbol and wrongly associate it with genocide"-type thing.

Object, do you think it's sometimes used provocatively? I'm just interested really, it's an interesting subject to me.

By me, no. I wouldn't have the audacity to try and speak for others though.

At least in the general public's perception (and mine)
Which is only of importance if you care about how people perceive you.

Object for instance has a very specific and deliberate personality/outlook and wishes to be understood, by others, as an individual
I'm exactly the same as everyone else. I don't mean that in a crass way but I'm just a human. The only thing which differentiates me from anyone else is the realisation that:

I will only ever be answerable to myself.

There are plenty of tattoos around with skulls and other macabre themes that don't aren't so interesting somehow. They're explicit and figurative in a way, not symbolic but literal.
I hate death. I hate what we as people do to this planet. I would never have a tattoo of something which reminded me of that kind of negativity. That doesn't mean I can't appreciate it on other people as that is their choice.

I've always been a bit fascinated with the third reich on an aesthetic level - the insignia, the propaganda, the uniforms, the architecture
I personally find that as strange as you find my ability to completely disassociate swastikas from the nazi flag.

I doubt that. Let's be honest about it, this isn't a battle between knowledge and ignorance; I know as much as anyone about the pre-Nazi symbolism of the swastika, but I still wouldn't get it inked on me.
Your choice. I respect that.

As far as I'm concerned, any genuine reclamation of a symbol has to be done from a position of understanding. And if people who had these symbols tattooed on them showed a bit more understanding, I probably wouldn't think it was stupid
I agree entirely with this, I live entirely by the desire to leave the most minimal of marks on this planet. I didn't have a choice in being born but I do have a choice about how I abuse our home and it's inhabitants.

But usually - and this is borne out above - the reasons seem to be more often based around a sort of 'my body my choice' coda. Which imo is not a justification, but a dodge.
As this is directly related to what I said above I'll ask you a question, do you think I should have to explain myself every time that someone asks? Maybe, the answer is a more polite way of saying, "It's none of your fucking business".

I kind of agree. It seems like a "fuck you, you're ignorant if you don't fully understand my obscure symbol and wrongly associate it with genocide"-type thing.
This assumes that the person with the tattoo thinks that they are better than the person viewing it. I can assure you that I hold myself in the same contempt that I hold over the rest of the human race.

Back on track.

I really like this:

Re-post ;) But definitely one of my favourites.

Always important to show your working.

As this is directly related to what I said above I'll ask you a question, do you think I should have to explain myself every time that someone asks? Maybe, the answer is a more polite way of saying, "It's none of your fucking business".

I guess my counter to that is if the person asking has more direct experience of the miseries inflicted by those who took the swastika for their symbol, it's more their business than it is yours. But like I said, I'm not telling you what I think you should do with your body, only why I wouldn't.

Situation dictates action. If said fictional person was respectful in the way in which they asked I may be inclined to discuss, if they were not then anything I could say would fall upon deaf ears so it's hardly worth either of our times.

It should also be noted that, "more direct experience of the miseries inflicted by those who took the swastika for their symbol" is not more and/or less important than the joy of those who took the swastika for their symbol.

It should also be noted that, "more direct experience of the miseries inflicted by those who took the swastika for their symbol" is not more and/or less important than the joy of those who took the swastika for their symbol.

That is probably exactly where we disagree.

Lets be gentlemen and end the discussion then.

Lagergren

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Dom Holmes
(sorry about the shitty pic)