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  • If that is the case, then all that is going to happen is he will make himself look stupid before he is crucified at the Leveson Enquiry.

  • Hopefully so...

    They seem to do it a lot.
    NHS debate reaches boiling point - cue the arrival of a completely pie in the sky story about privatising roads.
    Tax cuts for the richest? Oooh look pasties are going to be 30p more expensive if they're hot!

    Or am I being cynical...?

  • they would NEVER do anything underhanded or sneaky like that
    how very dare you
    politicians are the very finest of people with the best of this country in mind ( not their lecture tours @ £100,000 per hour / future jobs as CEO's of large multinationals great pensions & gravy trains )

    no sir they are thinking about whats best for us

  • I don't think so DC's only experience of real life is working in PR, it just so happens that he is pretty shit at it, so most of his attempts at manipulating the press are transparent. He isn't capable of instilling fear into journalists in the same way the Alistair Campbell did, so they gleefully make him look like and arse one day, and then crucify him the next.

  • Last week while on a sherry induced rant my Gran spouted the following gem;
    "If Cameron was any kind of statesman or intellectual he would be able to handle this. But unfortunately he is a 2nd rate PR gobshite and he's up to his tits in shit"

    My Gran has a potty mouth.
    She is class.

  • I wholeheartedly agree with your Gran, the trouble is there is no one currently on the front benches for any of the main political parties who could realistically be described as "any kind of statesman or intellectual".

  • Vince Cable...?

  • Possibly, but he is just too good at pissing into the wind and upsetting the wrong people to advance much beyond his current position. That said I would imagine that he will be (by default) the leader of the Lib Dems after the next General Election, no matter how much potential Nick Clegg showed in the last campaign he has been too damaged by his association with the coalition and IMO will be lucky to keep his seat.

  • I like him for his wind pissing, I would be difficult not to piss into the wind if you were any kind of right(correct) thinking person.

    If Lib Dems pulled out of the coalition right now they would force an election and the current agenda that is being pursued by Cameron could be brought to a halt.
    For that reason, among others, the LibDems are going to get torn to ribbons in the next election. Hence their holding on for grim death and being yellow bellied yes men.

  • The Lib Dems were royally fucked from the moment the exit polls were publish at the last GE.

    A FPTP electoral system is designed to create a strong majority government and as such the electorate in this country does not really understand the niceties of a coalition government. Nick Clegg's only real choice was to form a coalition with the Tories, his party is very much the junior partner and as such has little say in government policy, the best that they can hope for is to influence and moderate the fairly hard-line Tory policy, something that many people who voted for them fail to be able to grasp.

  • If Lib Dems pulled out of the coalition right now they would force an election and the current agenda that is being pursued by Cameron could be brought to a halt.

    As if Labour's champagne socialists would be any different! Don't you recall that this was the selfsame party that pushed through PFI, deregulation of casino capitalism, the ability of private companies to cherrypick contracts from the NHS, ATOS' targets to remove disabled benefits, increased harassment of those on state benefits, a massive erosion in civil liberties and criminal war mongering? Do you really believe that New Labour has changed its spots? And if so, to what? Old Labour?

    The Myth of Old Labour:
    Let’s all vote Labour without illusions
    Labouring in Vain - a critical history of the Labour Party

  • The Camerons forgot about their daughter when leaving a pub. They didn't realise till they got home.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jun/11/david-cameron-daughter-behind-pub?newsfeed=true

  • i know we've been discussing it for the last 1/2 page ^^^^

  • Instead, the Western interests are using their proxies and such paragons of democracy and human rights (Saudi, Qatar, Turkey) to funnel arms and pay the "rebels'" salaries, as well as directly providing military "advisors" and special ops teams themselves.

    The "rebels" have been planting bombs, with the supine "liberal" media like the Guardian, being very sceptical about such claims and alleging false flag operations. Yet, where was this selfsame scepticism (as I've asked before) with regards to claims by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and the FSA?

    Regarding Annan's peace plan, when did the FSA or other armed militia support it? With the exception of the NCC (which is against NATO intervention), neither the SNC (based in Paris), nor the FSA (based in Turkey) want a negotiated peace settlement. al Qaeda (al Farouq Brigade and al Nursa Front) has exploded bombs in Damascus, Idlib, Aleppo etc...

    The Syrian government did agree to Annan's peace plan on the condition that the "rebels" would do so too. They didn't, so the violence continues. Would you have the Syrian government lay down its arms so that the armed "rebels" could overrun the country and lead to a situation similar to that of Libya (ethnic cleansing, racially motivated crimes against humanity, endemic torture, massacres perpetrated by NATO and by the "rebels" acting under NATO air cover, which are still ongoing, with total impunity and where any dissent will be violently terminated)?

    US calls for an implementation deadline solely on the part of the government, are laughable in this context, and would serve as a precursor to NATO humanitarian intervention aka shock and awe.

    Ah, I see the Guardian's at it again. Former Foreign Secretary David Owen calling for war on Syria because "the scale of the humanitarian tragedy in Syria demands" it. The very same David Owen who, when he "licensed the sale of the first Hawks to Indonesia in 1978, he dismissed reports of the East Timorese death toll, then well over 60,000 or 10% of the population, as "exaggerated"."

    Will the Guardian be giving space to the accused to defend themeselves or will we continue to see overwhelming bias towards Western sources, analysis, and perspectives?

  • As if Labour's champagne socialists would be any different! Don't you recall that this was the selfsame party that pushed through PFI, deregulation of casino capitalism, the ability of private companies to cherrypick contracts from the NHS, ATOS' targets to remove disabled benefits, increased harassment of those on state benefits, a massive erosion in civil liberties and criminal war mongering? Do you really believe that New Labour has changed its spots? And if so, to what? Old Labour?

    The Myth of Old Labour:
    Let’s all vote Labour without illusions
    Labouring in Vain - a critical history of the Labour Party

    I don't recall ever saying re-electing Labour was the solution.

  • If Lib Dems pulled out of the coalition right now they would force an election and the current agenda that is being pursued by Cameron could be brought to a halt.

    I don't recall ever saying re-electing Labour was the solution.

    So, how do you foresee the neoliberal agenda being halted?

  • Organic hummus for all.

  • i know we've been discussing it for the last 1/2 page ^^^^

    Soz

  • no worries
    just wanted to draw your attention to the debate raging above in case someone accuses you of reposting !

    whooops

  • Gordon Brown lying repeatedly whilst under oath at Leveson.

    Journalists from every TV channel/newspaper are on Twitter saying "this is bollocks, we were there"

    either the police or men in white coats should be waiting for GB when he finishes.

  • contempt of court m'lud

    he could go down for that

  • What is he lying about exactly?

  • Denying he ever got angry with journalists who criticised him or ever directed his press people to brief against oppponents/colleagues/Darling/Blair etc etc. or ever made a phonecall to Murdoch when The Sun turned on him which both Murdoch and Mandelson have tesified he did.

  • hmmm who's the biggest shyster out of murdoch / mandie and old pa broon

    i bet they're all lying

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