Can you help to identify these frames, bikes or parts?

^^ The best thing you have to go on are the track ends - the seatstays meet the ends a long way back and the shape's pretty odd too - if you can get a match for those you're well on your way. - Flickr searches as well as Google image can be quite useful for finding a match

I have an early 60's Bob Jackson track frame - no. 4339 (1964) - it has standard campagnolo track ends (same lugs though - prugnat I think) so the date's probably fairly accurate.

The serial# format can also help to eliminate possibilities (the mass producers tended to have alphanumeric or relatively long serial#'s) and some builders had month/year type serials, it's also worth checking kilgariff's pages to quickly see if it's a holdsworth or claud butler.

Thanks for the info Rik! That's a really good shout about the track ends, I'll get the wheel off over the weekend and take a close up if I can't find anything on google.

Who's Kilgariff? A member on here?

^^ The best thing you have to go on are the track ends - the seatstays meet the ends a long way back and the shape's pretty odd too - if you can get a match for those you're well on your way. - Flickr searches as well as Google image can be quite useful for finding a match

I have an early 60's Bob Jackson track frame - no. 4339 (1964) - it has standard campagnolo track ends (same lugs though - prugnat I think) so the date's probably fairly accurate.

The serial# format can also help to eliminate possibilities (the mass producers tended to have alphanumeric or relatively long serial#'s) and some builders had month/year type serials, it's also worth checking kilgariff's pages to quickly see if it's a holdsworth or claud butler.

sorry, I meant to turn that into a live link
http://www.nkilgariff.com/ is a webpage devoted to vintage Holdsworth/Claud Butler road bikes - it's got catalogues from nearly every year since the 30's - and plenty of useful info.

levers are veloce, i guess

^Haha, joking right?

levers are veloce, i guess

hahaha funniest post ever!

I am saying chorus http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=15A43395-E3C7-4B2E-881F-50F23FC7718E&Enum=118&AbsPos=18

Hello,

Thanks

seatwrap over and bb shell from my 1970 holdsworth super mistral. slightly different in the seatwrap over detail and my serial number is 6 digits too.
could be worth you looking in the catalogue though

http://www.nkilgariff.com/

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Thanks Nuovo,

I've been going through some of the catelogues and haven't found anything similar yet, but there's a lot to go through!

Can someone identify these bars?
Cheers

Nitto RB-019, or Mavic Pursuit, or Soma Pursuit.. Similar shape and drop..

if the old dosnoventa tokyo was a Dolan frame, does someone know what is the real brand of the new one?
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/426394_360619373968428_313463345350698_1126284_127782574_n.jpg

Nitto RB-019, or Mavic Pursuit, or Soma Pursuit.. Similar shape and drop..

I think Nitto RB-021, or mavic's

Can anyone tell me what group these are from? Cheers.

I think those leavers are either last gen. Chorus or early Athena's.
Those brakes confuse me though, at first i thought early Nuovo rec. but the quick release doesn't make sense then..

I found those brakes on a1977 romani with record or s record.
Campy catalogs said that "... dome shape added to quick release cam lever on brake calipers... " in 1978...

CPSC change?

can you recognize this campa group? by the ergo, brakes?
http://s15.postimage.org/eo2wjzf1n/IMG_0238.jpg
http://s15.postimage.org/79dkrlt63/IMG_0240.jpg

^ Pointy hoods = late 90's
My guess is Veloce or Athena or possibly Chorus
(Chorus hoods were rounded off around 1998 the rest followed later).
Aluminium shifters were on Veloce upwards, but record had a hole in them.
9speed or 8spd? - a good place to look is the campag spares catalogues on the campag webpage. http://www.campagnolo.com/jsp/en/doc/doccatid_3.jsp

looks like the first ergo chorus 8sp from 1993, those that were marked "carbon"
on the body above lever.
I have the same marked as veloce from 1994-6? and it has powder coated silver levers with plastic shifters

looks like the first ergo chorus 8sp from 1993, those that were marked "carbon"
on the body above lever.
I have the same marked as veloce from 1994-6? and it has powder coated silver levers with plastic shifters

it's the 8sp
i should polish those, but it's hard to find replacement for the screws..

^ I think you're probably right DrJ (as in GrisGris?) - I'd not realised that the dual pivots were available that early - I've got athena's from 94 and they're still single pivot - 93 & 94 Chorus were dual.
My brother had '98 veloce and they had alu shifters - I guess that the mirage/avanti etc pushed veloce up to higher spec in later years!

http://s18.postimage.org/gux310x09/IMG_0242.jpg
i see a difference between chorus and the screw from the crank
any chance to be record? in the 93 catalog it looked that way

I've recently acquired an italianate whip on the ebay for £11.50 (frame only, no forks) - wondered if the combined knowledge could be brought to bear.....
Here she is dressed for rat duties (it's the only 1" fork I own!)

For a brief moment I thought I had a cinelli on my hands... alas not - it's not a windsor either or any other cinelli-clone....
The frame number (107.) is stamped on the rear dropouts - which are campag 1010 or whatever you call them.


(Classy paintjob - they didn't even remove the adjuster screws!!)
There are Cinelli style lugs at the headtube - but they're 2-hole & 1-hole piercings rather than the Cinelli standard 3-hole & 2-hole...

The seat lug is totally different to Cinelli or any of the knock-offs

Thats a massively oxidised campag record drillium post with an Arius Gran Carrera Saddle - which gives some idea of the period - my guess is early 70's. There's a little ridge to locate the band on D/T shifters, and the rear mech cable routing is a stop on the d/t around the radius of the chainring, then you run a cable outer up to another stop behind the bb. there's a band-on front mech (also early 70's campag) - but I've no idea how the cable would have been routed to that...

There's nothin to route cables under the bb as this has been drilium'd to within an inch of it's life!!!!

Headtube lugs are quite nice - no sign of any rivet holes

Any ideas????

Could be italian - I wondered about Atala and Masi. but it could just as easily be a british framebuilder making something a bit special for a "continentally minded" customer ..........

I can't help much with id, but that bb shell looks very rusty.

Pogliaghi had the 2 holes/1 hole Cinelliesque lugs....
I'll need to find out if they ever stamped serial# on the dropout
.http://www.classicrendezvous.com/images/Italian/Pogliaghi/Luca_De_Ponti_7342/head_lugs.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7228/7211803684_985c95162c.jpg