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@Rik_Van_Looy
appolloxl is correct - the rusty black one is a '30's Claud - I've earmarked that for this years L'Eroica - you probably don't want that - it's a load of hassle - siezed steel seatpost with 300mm of insertion, and integrated clippie headset....
The rusty red one is a track frame - but that's in everyday use and not for sale! - it's the bob-rat
You're welcome to the coppi skidder, and as the claud progresses I think I'll probably have to let go of the shorter - I want to get a few good rides in on it first!
Trouble is I've just sold the house (which is significantly tidier than the shed) - so it'll all end up in storage if I'm not careful!