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mate a actually apreciate the link. getting a nice italian group is something id love to get. im going to see mr steve goff. hes got some nice gear.
been looking at these too ... http://www.justridingalong.com/custom-hand-built-wheel-sets/in-stock-handbuilt-wheels/rg2-road-hubs-laced-to-velocity-aerohead-rims.html
gonna take my time. wheels first. those hubs any good ?