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I meant to post this a couple of days ago, and then this thread appeared - I was stuck in trafficand didn't want to go inside a white van so pulled up along the outside but not enough room to squeeze through van and car, stopped and waited. White van man having a ciggie reaches over to steering and pulls over to let me through -top bloke, of course i said thanks - I did wonder of he was a cyclist or knows a cyclist.