Road bike recommendations

They have less than half the torsional stiffness of proper spokes, really hard to feel when you've taken out all the wind-up when building.

I used a pair of pliers with tape over the jaws. To hold the spoke while tensioning. Still caused, and then left, a massive amount of wind up.

Built a set of lightish wheels for the fixed, with a similar gauge Pillar spoke, with no issues though.

Getting some super comps for the fatbike wheels. Best spokes I've used for disc braked wheels.