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@Northern_Rob
I got some proper made in San Fransisco Levis from about 2003. Super nice quality with S.F embossed buttons and 'Jerky' leather back patch.(I've been told this, I know not what it means) Baggy as fuck though and not my cup of tea anymore so think it might be time to pass them on. Need re-hemming I'd reckon (Son of Stag do thst type of stuff). 34w/32l ish and the nicest denim I've ever worn.