Can you help to identify these frames, bikes or parts?

Thank you for your help! I wasn´t able to find the exact same frame on the site. The second frame looks alike, but has internal cable routing and a mount for a front derailleur. I will have to keep looking, I knew mid 80´s before, but I can´t sit calm until I find a year and more info on the frame.

http://matuzmaster.hu/_userfiles/image/2011-06-26-moser/20498-big.jpg

The placement of decals but more importand the frame markings.

Then the question is about your fork crown not being engraved?

Look at where all the FM, MOSER and BB arrow are located.

http://matuzmaster.hu/_userfiles/image/2011-06-26-moser/20507-big.jpg
http://matuzmaster.hu/_userfiles/image/2011-06-26-moser/20503-big.jpg
http://matuzmaster.hu/_userfiles/image/2011-06-26-moser/20502-big.jpg

As I said before first you start with the Markings of the frame, then move from there.

S/F,
CEYA!